Squad+MG defensive fire question

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This one is incorrect. The leader is not involved in the firing of the MG. When the MG cowers, it and the unit that fired the MG are marked with a final fire counter. The leader, that did not fire, is unmarked and can take other actions.
True. He doesn't have the means to fire at anything but I guess that he could do a sniper check.
 

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  1. Correct
  2. Correct
  3. If firing as a stack, the target has to be adjacent since the squad is marked with first fire counter. The fire from the MG is not treated as sustained fire (I think that you might be confusing this situation with subsequent fire where firing a MG is so penalised). The MG can keep firing for as long as it retains ROF.
A8.4 FINAL FIRE: That portion of Defensive Fire which occurs during the DFPh is called Final Fire. During Final Fire any of the DEFENDER'S units/weapons that are not marked with a First, Final, Intensive, or No Fire counter may fire. Any such units/weapons that are marked with a First Fire counter may also fire again (by flipping their First Fire marker over to the Final Fire side), but as Area Fire and only at units in an adjacent (or same) hex, therefore also possibly benefiting from PBF (or TPBF). A unit/weapon already marked with a Final Fire counter cannot fire during Final Fire. Final Fire affects all applicable units in a target Location—not just those that may have moved—but without any modifiers for FFNAM/FFMO.

And a Q&A-

"A8.4
During the defensive fire phase, a squad & MMG want to make fire attacks. The squad (only) is marked with a def first fire counter. Is it legal for the squad to fire his MMG at full FP vs a non-ADJACENT unit and then (provided it didn’t cower) have the squad use final fire at an ADJACENT unit? Would the answer be different if the situation was reversed? (MMG only is marked with a first fire counter, squad fires at non adjacent unit and then MMG final fires at adjacent unit.

A. Yes. No."




If the leader directed the attack that resulted in the squad having first fired, it cannot direct the stack in Final Fire- only the squad. If the leader did not direct the original attack, it can apply leadership to the combined Final Fire attack.

7.53 FIRE DIRECTION: A single leader cannot direct more than one weapon/unit per phase unless they are part of the same FG. Hence a squad that elects to use its inherent FP in a different attack than that of the MG it is manning does not get the leadership benefit if given to the MG instead. However, a leader can direct the fire of a MG as many times as the MG can fire, even if he also directed other units as part of a FG in the MG's previous attack. Leader direction used during Defensive First Fire can be used again in Subsequent First Fire, FPF, or Final Fire, but again only for one firing unit/SW or FG—and that unit/SW/FG can only include firers he directed during First Fire

4. Correct. The MG is not marked as having fired and can fire freely as Final Fire. Leadership restrictions remain as already stated. Note that the MG is not subject to any restricted CA that might have applied during the opponent's MPh if it fired from a building or woods.
Thanks for all the replies. I realize that we played it partially wrong. Good to have gotten it straightened out. Also, Larry comment makes sense for the leader not getting marked. But, if assume we have a German leader that is marked with a First Fire counter, can the leader fire a PF? That would mean that a squad that first fires two PF during DFF can fire attempt two more PF during the Final Fire vs an adjacent eligible unit?
 

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Thanks for all the replies. I realize that we played it partially wrong. Good to have gotten it straightened out. Also, Larry comment makes sense for the leader not getting marked. But, if assume we have a German leader that is marked with a First Fire counter, can the leader fire a PF? That would mean that a squad that first fires two PF during DFF can fire attempt two more PF during the Final Fire vs an adjacent eligible unit?
If a leader is marked with any kind of defensive fire counter by the time of Final Fire, he is done using inherent FP until the CCPh.

A7.352 A crew/HS/SMC that fires any SW/Gun loses its inherent FP until attacked/attacking in CC or the end of that Player Turn (whichever comes first)

A7.531 ...
A Leader directing fire is treated as if he were firing marked with an appropriate Fire Counter
 
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