Mark, you should have a look at this: Not a real AAR EA - it seems there are problems with the spanish army. :nervous:
Spanish Activation?
- Thread starter Telumar
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Mark Stevens
Europe Aflame Forum Moderator
I realise that it's no use me saying this, but I just checked this, admittedly only once, using TOAW III (b) and:
After the Germans captured Warsaw both the Allied and Axis Poles withdrew the following turn
The Spanish Armed Forces did start on the map
After Paris was taken and France surrendered, the Vichy units and the Axis TO to activate Spain appeared
When the TO was pressed, the Spanish Army mobilised, as did Portugal and the Spanish guerillas, the Vichy troops disappeared and were replaced by the Allied 'Admiral Darlan' formation
i.e. exactly as intended
It's possible that some other combination of moves would have produced the reported result, but I can't see how. I wonder if some players are still using the version supplied with the CD/download (maybe without realising it - perhaps they didn't replace it with TOAW III (b) in the right folder?) or aren't familiar with how the TOs work. The only Event that would (should!) cause the Spanish to withdraw is the Allied occupation of Madrid.
Do feel free to post this on the Matrix site or invite players to post questions here. I've deliberately not joined the forum there because I think the discussions will become fragmented and it's easier to keep them where all the other threads on this scenario are, but I'm always pleased to answer questions or check out reported bugs. I honestly did try out every combination that I reasonably could before posting (b) and I would have noticed something as glaringly obvious as this. Hopefully.
After the Germans captured Warsaw both the Allied and Axis Poles withdrew the following turn
The Spanish Armed Forces did start on the map
After Paris was taken and France surrendered, the Vichy units and the Axis TO to activate Spain appeared
When the TO was pressed, the Spanish Army mobilised, as did Portugal and the Spanish guerillas, the Vichy troops disappeared and were replaced by the Allied 'Admiral Darlan' formation
i.e. exactly as intended
It's possible that some other combination of moves would have produced the reported result, but I can't see how. I wonder if some players are still using the version supplied with the CD/download (maybe without realising it - perhaps they didn't replace it with TOAW III (b) in the right folder?) or aren't familiar with how the TOs work. The only Event that would (should!) cause the Spanish to withdraw is the Allied occupation of Madrid.
Do feel free to post this on the Matrix site or invite players to post questions here. I've deliberately not joined the forum there because I think the discussions will become fragmented and it's easier to keep them where all the other threads on this scenario are, but I'm always pleased to answer questions or check out reported bugs. I honestly did try out every combination that I reasonably could before posting (b) and I would have noticed something as glaringly obvious as this. Hopefully.
Veers
Member
Freeboy has since said this, (bold mine)
Perhaps this is what it is...
over there.
Perhaps this is what it is...
Mark Stevens
Europe Aflame Forum Moderator
Hmm...thing is, there's no Event chain linking the attack on Poland, too early or otherwise, with Spanish withdrawal/activation .
I don't suppose that Freeboy would like to send me the saved game turn and his password for when this happened, or indeed didn't? I'd really like to check which scenario he was playing.
.I don't suppose that Freeboy would like to send me the saved game turn and his password for when this happened, or indeed didn't? I'd really like to check which scenario he was playing.
Veers
Member
I'll let him know on the Matrix Forums that you, the scenario designer, would like to have those files and a password, if you tell me which email you'd like it sent to...
EDIT: As I write, I see that Stefan has already directed Freeboy here.
EDIT: As I write, I see that Stefan has already directed Freeboy here.
Mark Stevens
Europe Aflame Forum Moderator
If he wants to send it to me on markterence.stevens@ntlworld.com I'll happily take a look.
Veers
Member
I let him know, but Mark! You shouldn't have you email displayed like that, apparently some automatic things search forums for email addresses to spam...
Mark Stevens
Europe Aflame Forum Moderator
True indeed, and consequently I get more spam than a school canteen but, fingers crossed, no one's actually hacked in and drained my bank accounts yet. Probably just a matter of time.
Usually it's just the odd share tipster promising me untold riches if I buy shares in Dodgy Bastards Limited, or the occasional Nigerian bank official advising me that he's sitting on Idi Amin's unclaimed millions and - if I were to advise him of my U.K. account numbers and any passwords - he'd cheerfully split it with me.
If you stop hearing from me one day, I've either taken him up on the offer and am relaxing on my tropical island, far from the cares of buggy wargames scenarios or, more likely, I'm dead in a ditch somewhere outside Lagos. :skull:
Usually it's just the odd share tipster promising me untold riches if I buy shares in Dodgy Bastards Limited, or the occasional Nigerian bank official advising me that he's sitting on Idi Amin's unclaimed millions and - if I were to advise him of my U.K. account numbers and any passwords - he'd cheerfully split it with me.
If you stop hearing from me one day, I've either taken him up on the offer and am relaxing on my tropical island, far from the cares of buggy wargames scenarios or, more likely, I'm dead in a ditch somewhere outside Lagos. :skull:
Veers
Member
Well, hopefully neither of those days ever comes, after all, what would we do without you?
Mantis
Member
Stop bitching about EA? :laugh:
I have to echo Veer's sentiments, tho!
I have to echo Veer's sentiments, tho!