Sniper Alternate Target (A14.21)

Juan SantaX

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Hi all

Sniper counter equidistant to two hexes. Both are Stone buildings. One of the buildings has counters at both ground and first level.

The sniper owner send it to the building with units at both levels. Choose ground level, where the good leader is... The target players say, no, the ground level of the building is fortified...+4, so the sniper has to go to the first level.

Then, the target player says that 1st level is fortificated also....

What happens then?

a) The sniper goes to the other hex (the no fortified one)
b) Both locations in the choosen hex have the same TEM, so the sniper player can chose

(We played b, but I think maybe is more sensible a...) Rule

TIA
 

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You should have never been allowed to choose the fortified building it has higher TEM.

A14.21 ...hidden fortifications may be revealed...

If your opponent reveled the fortification, he doesn't have to, pick another target if there's one with lower TEM available.
 

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What clubby didn't point out is that after rolling distance and direction, and while determining exactly which Location is closest and has the lowest TEM, but before the sniper player actually determines which of 2 equidistant hexes he will pick his opponent has to reveal any hidden fortifications that might make a difference. Once the sniper player picks a Location (after giving his opponent a chance to decide to reveal those fortifications or not) it is too late to reveal any fortifications.
Also if the lower level is fortified and the upper level is not, the upper level (if occupied by an eligible target) TEM can used to determine the target Location.
 

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What clubby didn't point out is that after rolling distance and direction, and while determining exactly which Location is closest and has the lowest TEM, but before the sniper player actually determines which of 2 equidistant hexes he will pick his opponent has to reveal any hidden fortifications that might make a difference. Once the sniper player picks a Location (after giving his opponent a chance to decide to reveal those fortifications or not) it is too late to reveal any fortifications.
Also if the lower level is fortified and the upper level is not, the upper level (if occupied by an eligible target) TEM can used to determine the target Location.
Yes great points
 

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Thanks. That's what I thought. You must reveal before the hex is chosen.
 

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Another point: I believe the sniper owning player can choose a hex, but not the location when there are multiple units in multiple locations. The location is chosen randomly in that case.
 

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Another point: I believe the sniper owning player can choose a hex, but not the location when there are multiple units in multiple locations. The location is chosen randomly in that case.
From A14.2 "...the Sniper player selects which of those Locations to attack."
 

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What clubby didn't point out is that after rolling distance and direction, and while determining exactly which Location is closest and has the lowest TEM, but before the sniper player actually determines which of 2 equidistant hexes he will pick his opponent has to reveal any hidden fortifications that might make a difference. Once the sniper player picks a Location (after giving his opponent a chance to decide to reveal those fortifications or not) it is too late to reveal any fortifications.
Also if the lower level is fortified and the upper level is not, the upper level (if occupied by an eligible target) TEM can used to determine the target Location.
If the upper level is not fortified and that TEM is the same as another building and the sniper owning player chooses that location, I'm assuming that units in the fortified portion of that building cannot be randomly selected should there be multiple units in different levels on the building?
 

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I thought about that, but from A14.21 once the Sniper player has selected the upper level of the Fortified Location that Location become the Sniper target Location, not anywhere else in the hex.
 

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The HEX TEM is the determinant factor, then NON Targets apply. Otherwise, The Sniper player determines which location to attack after that HEX has been chosen as the target. Fortified can be chosen over rooftop.
All aren't chosen at the same random draw.
 
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