Snap Shot Concealment Loss

[buser333]

Assume no other units are on board. I know a concealed moving unit subject to snap shot does not lose concealment unless a result is achieved from the shot, but what happens when a concealed unit fires at this moving unit and the only LOS between the two is at the snap shot hexside? Does the firing unit lose concealment in this case?

 

[jrv]

A6.12. "Occasionally, the rules will specify that an entire hexside, part of a hexside, or a vertex be used for tracing LOS to/from instead of the hex center dot. This occurs during ... Snap Shot (8.15)." LOS from the target to the firer is traced from the hexside. If the entire hexside is not blocked, the firing unit loses concealment normally.

JR

 

[ctewks]

A6.12. "Occasionally, the rules will specify that an entire hexside, part of a hexside, or a vertex be used for tracing LOS to/from instead of the hex center dot. This occurs during ... Snap Shot (8.15)." LOS from the target to the firer is traced from the hexside. If the entire hexside is not blocked, the firing unit loses concealment normally.

JR

but you'd have to show a real unit (temporarily) with LOS to the firer to strip the firer's concealment

 

[jrv]

but you'd have to show a real unit (temporarily) with LOS to the firer to strip the firer's concealment

Yes, all the normal concealment loss rules would apply. But the LOS would be traced to/from the hexside.

JR

 

[zgrose]

but you'd have to show a real unit (temporarily) with LOS to the firer to strip the firer's concealment

Potentially temporarily. My hypothesis is that many people play temp reveal wrong.

 

[clubby]

Potentially temporarily. My hypothesis is that many people play temp reveal wrong.

Instead of posting something provocative, please explain how people are playing it wrong.

 

[zgrose]

It is just a continuation from other threads. A12.14 only allows you to regain concealment if no other GO enemy unit also has LOS to the unit attempting to temporarily reveal.

 

[clubby]

Can you give an example?

 

[klasmalmstrom]

A unit that "forfeit its “?” momentarily" is just a mechanic to prove one has a real unit there. The unit does not actually lose/regain its Concealment.

Q&A:
A12.14
Is a unit that is “momentarily revealed” and instantly “regains” concealment for purposes of concealment stripping actually
considered to have lost concealment? For example, would this mean that ADJACENT enemy units would be come DM? Would
that unit lose cloaking and become concealed? etc?
A. No to all.

 

[zgrose]

Can you give an example?

Well that was helpful. While crafting up my example and trying to parse up the sentences to make sure my hypothesis was sound, proved it wrong. Which makes me feel a lot better cuz I thought I had been playing it wrong for a very long time.

 

[jrv]

That part of A12.14 was somewhat "casually phrased." If you examine it as if it was mathematically sound, you can lose what was (probably) the intention. It can be a problem with all textual interpretation, not just with the ASLRB. Fortunately we have Perry. All praise Perry.

JR

 

[zgrose]

I prefer to blame the emphasis on compactness in the ASLRB. Being able to restate, clarify, or add more illustrations would do a world of good to some of the denser wall-o-text sections.

Perry is awesome, though.

 

[clubby]

OK, so we've all been playing it right?

 

[jrv]

OK, so we've all been playing it right?

Probably not. Just not misplaying it in the way he thought.

JR