I dont understand...That's just what the rule says....why it says that is more of a design question.
i think my problem is with the english again... I dont understand why a moving/stopped AFV gets the DRM of a moving/non stopped AFV.It would be way too omniscient for the phasing player if he were to place SMOKE so easily after moving from A to B. Hence the +2
But then that drm is aplicable to all moving vehicles... whats the meaning after the slash? .../non-stopped?It is the same as bounding or advance fire phase firing of the MA, in both of those you get the +2 when you have stopped. sM is the same principle.
i.e. you have moved that turn.
So C.8 is the definition of a Moving Target. Imagine the starts its MPh Stopped. You can fire the sM and the AFV would not be "moving" per C.8., It is also Stopped (i.e. the AFV is not Non-Stopped) so no +2. The AFV pays one to Start. Now it is non-Stopped. It enters another hex and stops. Now it is Stopped but Moving per C.8 so the +2 would apply.But then that drm is aplicable to all moving vehicles... whats the meaning after the slash? .../non-stopped?
It can be a moving and stopped afv OR a moving and non stopped afv.... I really dont understand. Thats too much for me... it surpasses my understanding... My brain is going to blast
So that DRM is aplicable to ALL moving afv, being Stopped or not ... then the slash don't make sense to me. I’m sure its a problem with my understanding of English (And of the rules of course).So C.8 is the definition of a Moving Target. Say you start your MPh Stopped. You can fire the sM and you are not "moving" per C.8 and you are Stopped (i.e. the AFV is not Non-Stopped) so no +2. The AFV pays one to Start. Now it is non-Stopped. It enters another hex and stops. Now it is Stopped but Moving per C.8 so the +2 would apply. -- jim
You have the English word correct. The game defines Moving differently. -- jimSo that DRM is aplicable to ALL moving afv, being Stopped or not ... then the slash don't make sense to me. I’m sure its a problem with my understanding of English (And of the rules of course).
Maybe if I understand the slash as “and/or” (but I cannot see how an AFV could be non stopped while not moving... thats the “or”) but to me, at least in my language, a slash is “and”... It must be both...
I appreciate your answers, but I think I‘m showing myself as a real dumb....
I agree. The reference to C.8 makes that clear (thankfully). It should probably be fixed. -- jimI believe "moving" in D13.32 means "moving target" - not just "moving" as in "executing its MPh".
Dude any non-English as a first language speaker who can play ASL, even a really flawed game, would never be considered dumb as far as I'm concerned. I'd venture to say that goes for most members of this forum.So that DRM is aplicable to ALL moving afv, being Stopped or not ... then the slash don't make sense to me. I’m sure its a problem with my understanding of English (And of the rules of course).
Maybe if I understand the slash as “and/or” (but I cannot see how an AFV could be non stopped while not moving... thats the “or”) but to me, at least in my language, a slash is “and”... It must be both...
I appreciate your answers, but I think I‘m showing myself as a real dumb....
The best way to envision the effects is to refer to C.8 as indicated by rule. If you have moved into a new hex or have started your MPh In-Motion you are considered moving; if you have expended a start MP prior to using the sM you are considered non-stopped but still may not be considered moving if you haven't entered a new hex so hence the use of the "/" between moving and non-stopped as they don't always mean the same. If you begin your MPh by attempting a sM as its first action in its MPh it is neither moving nor non-stopped and need not apply the modifier [nor if using it as a form of defensive fire (D13.2) if not In-Motion at that instance].But then that drm is aplicable to all moving vehicles... whats the meaning after the slash? .../non-stopped?
It can be a moving and stopped afv OR a moving and non stopped afv.... I really dont understand. Thats too much for me... it surpasses my understanding... My brain is going to blast
The virgule ("\") as punctuation means "and or". I laugh when I see "and\or" as it literally means "and and or or". The index of the ASLRB defines it as "and or" as well. When you say "moving/non-stopped" it means if one or the other applies. But to bring the point full circle. It is possible to be moving and "stopped", even though you perhaps used the wrong word here. Again, in ASL Moving is defined as the unit/stack conducting its MPh. Only one unit/stack is ever moving at one time. If you meant "Moving Target", then again, it is possible to be both Stopped and a Moving Target.Let me take a crack at this one, if only for my own self.
A vehicle can assume three basic states: stopped, non-stopped, and moving. These states are perfectly explained by sparafucil, Eagle4ty, et AL above.
The rule syntax moving/non-stopped should be read moving and non-stopped, moving or non-stopped. This excludes the stopped state.
This is ASL English and was probably not covered in class.
Well, I didn´t look at the index for /, and then I found it as and/or as you say!!!!!The virgule ("\") as punctuation means "and or". I laugh when I see "and\or" as it literally means "and and or or". The index of the ASLRB defines it as "and" or as well. When you say "moving/non-stopped" it means if one or the other applies. But to bring the point full circle. It is possible to be moving and "stopped", even though you perhaps used the wrong word here. Again, in ASL Moving is defined as the unit/stack conducting its MPh. Only one unit/stack is ever moving at one time. If you meant "Moving Target", then again, it is possible to be both Stopped and a Moving Target.
This is one of those sections of the rules that can take some time to get you head around but if you want to be better at playing AFV's in ASL, it's critical to gain understanding of C.8 and how it modifies TH DRM's. -- jimBu
Tú no eres estúpido. Estás aprendiendo. -- jaime(Ps: I told you I was dumb)