Sexual harassment implosion

Sand Bar Bill

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Debated so much, the Speaker of the House said this...not a Freshman Congressman, but the Speaker...


Did you forget it about the bribes and kickbacks to pass it too? Those inconvenient facts I guess.

Actually home team boy, your facts are mistaken. House introduced the ACA bill eventually passed on October 29, 2009 and passed it on November 7, 2009. (9 whole days of debate). The House bill entered the Senate calendar on Nov 16th, 2009 and eventually passed a reconciled bill in June 2010. Those damn facts again.
You managed to take a youtube clip, carefully parsed so you cannot tell the context of the remark. She was not stating that she had to pass the bill to discover it's contents, but rather the substance of its effects down the road after its enactment.

Such a great conservative myth though.

https://www.snopes.com/pelosi-healthcare-pass-the-bill-to-see-what-is-in-it/
 

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You managed to take a youtube clip, carefully parsed so you cannot tell the context of the remark. She was not stating that she had to pass the bill to discover it's contents, but rather the substance of its effects down the road after its enactment.

Such a great conservative myth though.

https://www.snopes.com/pelosi-healthcare-pass-the-bill-to-see-what-is-in-it/
Actually you proved my point....substance of the effects down the road after its enactment. Impacting 1/6th of the economy and touching every single American, you don't think it would have been a good idea to understand what it means long-term? Talk about reckless governing.

Regardless, all the promises from the Dems have failed spectacularly. Cost savings, ability to choose your doctor, insurance premiums,....the list goes on.
 

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Republicans likely own the healthcare issue now. Be it from throwing wrenches into the previous act or the new tax law which if passed will take the weak foundation out of "Obamacare".
Guess we are stuck with seeing if it will be better.
Mike
 

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I can only relate the impact it has on me, I won't dare speak for anyone else. I would be interested on how the T presidency has had an effect on others, apart from or maybe in addition to the politics. The whole thing has long ceased to be a simple political struggle, I feel it is multi dimensional. I mentioned the entertainment aspect, I'm sure there are other aspects that would not occur to someone like me looking at it from a good distance. How does it affect your interaction with others? Has it changed your daily/weekly/monthly schedule or who or why you would meet? I think that we can all agree that it is way out of the norm. If you went to pro or anti rallies have you met or in any way bonded with people that you would not otherwise have had contact with?
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Personal Changes are limited. I'm not going to attend any rallies. The colleges I have communication and interaction with seem to be challenged to fight for and keep international students (often in the technical fields). If they are replaced by American citizens I guess this is ok, but I suspect they won't be. We may suffer some brain drain from what people perceive of president trump.
What will be interesting from a long term perspective is will the pendulum continue to swing farther to extremes? If so Trump may create national socialist health care by the backlash. If he comes across as successful in leadership, he will reshape and redefine the Republican Party, one would think. Or are we going to put the breaks on the extremes? Somehow I doubt it.
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Yes, the Democrats are my option. They are the only party capable of defeating GOP candidates in VA where I’m registered to vote.

I can’t hold my nose and ignore the bad to get to the good anymore. The scales have tipped too far for the GOP to recover enough to get my vote.
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I'm pretty sure the dems will disappoint you as well, but good luck. Next few years will be interesting to see if the pendulum looses energy or just continues on its path "right" or kinetic energy continues to increase to on both sides of the swings.
Good luck with your path.
Mike
 

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Here's a better one.
https://www.afp.com/en/news/206/french-star-deneuve-defends-mens-right-chat-women-doc-w392z1

I, for one, do not want to live in a world where we're all forced to adopt the Mike Pence plan in order to stay out of jail or a reeducation camp run by the thought police. These women have it right.

People need to grow up.

Interestingly enough, my wife, a former Army major, thinks this whole #MeToo business is utterly repugnant. In fact, she's quite a bit less sympathetic to it than I am.
 

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People needing to grow up is people need to be mature enough to not sexually assault?Or victims need to grow up and let the criminal justice system play out after the fact?