Searching and Defensive First Fire
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Yes, all D1F comes after the MF/MP are expended and any results from that expenditure. E.g., if you try to place smoke grenades, the D1F comes after the smoke is placed (if it is placed). You gain control by entering a Location, even if the unit is eliminated by D1F. But the one MF to Search is a separate expenditure from any MF spent to enter the Location. For example, spend 2MF to enter a woods hex, possible D1F, then spend 1MF to search, possible D1F.
I think among the "common" MF expenditures, only DC usage is a "before you finish, I get to shoot" type DFire.
If I remember correctly...that if fired upon when entering the location (thus potentially leaving residual FP in that location)...that should the unit spend another MF to search they would then be subject to search casualties due to that placed residual (if any) or that from any other pre-existing residual already in place.
There are also other reasons for search casualties besides residual...but that is for another possible thread.
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Not Search Casualties, but they would be subject to an attack by the RFP.
Back at home with the rulebook...and this is what I was thinking applied:
A12.154 SEARCH CASUALTIES: If a Location that is Searched/Mopped-Up contains an armed Good Order unit/minefield/Residual FP/HE FFE Blast Area, or if the DEFENDER has any Booby Trap capability (B28.9), the DEFENDER may make one Casualty dr per Search dr in an effort to cause casualties to the searching/Mopping-Up unit(s).
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Two different situations:
- Residual FP that affects the searching unit in its own location upon MF expenditure to perform the search. - Resolved upon Movement expenditure
- A searched location (not necessarily the location that the searching unit is in) that contains Residual FP - Resolved as part of the Search procedure resolution, not the movement
FrankH.
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I have asked some of this question at least once before.
The fact that A12.152 says all units searching may not be pinned, if they are to search - as they end their movement (by expending one more MF) implies to me that if they are pinned by DFF or other reasons (e.g., minefield attack) they cannot search. Since a unit cannot expend 1 MF if pinned, it must be referring to becoming pinned after that 1 MF expenditure.
That is my take. Many other people do not agree with me, for some reason.
The fact that A12.152 says all units searching may not be pinned, if they are to search - as they end their movement (by expending one more MF) implies to me that if they are pinned by DFF or other reasons (e.g., minefield attack) they cannot search. Since a unit cannot expend 1 MF if pinned, it must be referring to becoming pinned after that 1 MF expenditure.
That is my take. Many other people do not agree with me, for some reason.
Doug Leslie
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I fall into the latter category!
A unit might enter a hex with the intention of performing a search dr but be pinned by residual FP/defensive first fire before it gets the opportunity to do so. My reading of the rules is that once the search dr is made, any residual FP/defensive first fire attacks are resolved after the search is performed. So if a searching squad suffers casualty reduction as a result of defensive fire, it still receives the -1 modifier to the search dr. If it is pinned, the search is still carried out.