Same results or RS on Infantry Type Fire?

[Ed Donoghue]

Two MMCs in 1 hex, 1 concealed & 1 unconcealed are fired on by an AFV MA w/Infantry Type Fire. The Th # on the concealed unit is 2 higher than the other one, no problem. Dice roll is snakes, improbable hit followed by a dr of 3. Does this result call for a RS or are both units effected the same?

 

[Binchois]

Seems pretty clear in the RB. If the "Improbable Hit" scores a CH, then RS would be needed to selects which unit in the Location is hit. OTOH, any non-CH would affect both targets:

C3.6 ...Both hull and turret hits are considered normal hits vs non-vehicular targets.​

 

[Ed Donoghue]

Seems pretty clear in the RB. If the "Improbable Hit" scores a CH, then RS would be needed to selects which unit in the Location is hit. OTOH, any non-CH would affect both targets:
any non-CH would affect both targets: 1 DR, if both were hit figuring the increased TH # due to concealment: no problem.
Would you please include the RB rule # for this rule so I can share it.
Thank you for your response

C3.6 ...Both hull and turret hits are considered normal hits vs non-vehicular targets.​

 

[Robin Reeve]

I am wondering if you are talking of a CH (C3.7) or and Improbable Hit (C3.6).

A 2 DR is not automatically an improbable hit.
If a hit is possible with a DR higher than 2, and you roll a 2, it can simply mean a possible CH - a following dr smaller than half of the modified TH would mean a CH, where a RS must determine which unit(s) suffers the CH (also, if the modified 2 TH DR is less than half of the modified TH number, there is a CH).

If only a 2 is a hit, roll a die : 1 is a CH, 2-6 are a normal hit.
With a dr of 3, there is no RS - and I presume that the concealed unit would not be hit anyway...

In the case of an improbable hit (i.e. a 2 DR would be a miss), the following dr of 3 means that there is a non critical hit.
No RS is rolled.
Both units are hit and receive the IFT attack full swing.

 

[Ed Donoghue]

I am wondering if you are talking of a CH (C3.7) or and Improbable Hit (C3.6).

A 2 DR is not automatically an improbable hit.
If a hit is possible with a DR higher than 2, and you roll a 2, it can simply mean a possible CH - a following dr smaller than half of the modified TH would mean a CH, where a RS must determine which unit(s) suffers the CH (also, if the modified 2 TH DR is less than half of the modified TH number, there is a CH).

If only a 2 is a hit, roll a die : 1 is a CH, 2-6 are a normal hit.
With a dr of 3, there is no RS - and I presume that the concealed unit would not be hit anyway...

In the case of an improbable hit (i.e. a 2 DR would be a miss), the following dr of 3 means that there is a non critical hit.
No RS is rolled.
Both units are hit and receive the IFT attack full swing.

the TH #s, after DRMs, were 1 on the unconcealed unit & -1 on the concealed unit. A 2 was rolled, an improbable hit. As per C3.6, an additional dr is made, results are as follows: 1 = CH, 2 = turret hit, 3 = hull hit, 4 - 6 is a miss (3 - 6 if HD). Both hull & turret hits are considered normal hits vs non-vehicular targets. That subsequent dr was a 3. No CH. How are the results to each unit determined?
2 normal hits w/1 DR, 2 normal hits w/2 DRs, 1 normal hit (RS determined) w/1 DR?

 

[Binchois]

the TH #s, after DRMs, were 1 on the unconcealed unit & -1 on the concealed unit. A 2 was rolled, an improbable hit. As per C3.6, an additional dr is made, results are as follows: 1 = CH, 2 = turret hit, 3 = hull hit, 4 - 6 is a miss (3 - 6 if HD). Both hull & turret hits are considered normal hits vs non-vehicular targets. That subsequent dr was a 3. No CH. How are the results to each unit determined?
2 normal hits w/1 DR, 2 normal hits w/2 DRs, 1 normal hit (RS determined) w/1 DR?

A single hit is scored versus both units using the same results DR. The situation really isn't any different than the following example (as per C3.4, 3.6, and 3.7):

Let's say your Final TH# was 7. There's two squads in the Location: one concealed (so with a Case K applicable - +2). For this example, no other mods apply.

If your DR is between 6 and 7, a hit would be scored, but only versus the unconcealed squad.

If you rolled snakes, the result would be a CH versus the entire Location (or hex using the ATT, C3.74), though CHs only affect the unit(s) determined by RS...

If the DR was between 3 and 5, a "normal hit" would be scored against BOTH targets using the same results DR against both of them.

The same would be true if the concealed unit was, instead, unconcealed but in a Foxhole.

When an Improbable Hit is scored, it is a hit versus the original target. As per the ITT rules (C3.32), the target of a "normal hit" is, in effect, the Location itself:

All AFV (but not their Vulnerable PRC) in the target Location are immune to damage from a hit on this table, other than that resulting from damage to terrain (B24.121). All other in-LOS enemy units in that Location can be hit [EXC: those immune as per 3.4], and all that are hit are then attacked on the IFT with a single Effects DR;​