FMFCB
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Are the Russians Elite in RO X-TAGas they are the 39rd Guards as per A25,2 and C8.2?
Russian Elite in RO X-TAG
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Eagle4ty
Forum Guru
Would seem so (they need all the help they can get).
STAVKA
Elder Member
No, not Elite as the rule is written, the rule only applies "in a printed scenario".
C8.2 An armed-vehicle/weapon in a printed scenario is Elite for this purpose if so specified by an SSR or if....
Larry
Elder Member
finish the rule:
klasmalmstrom
Forum Guru
I think one can interpret both clauses of the rule to apply to "in a printed scenario".
C8.2:
An armed-vehicle/weapon in a printed scenario is Elite for this purpose if so specified by an SSR or if the historical formation to which it belongs is either SS or Russian Guards.
Though this rule was written well before the first HASL appeared. Since it only mentions "printed scenario" and "DYO".
C8.2:
An armed-vehicle/weapon in a printed scenario is Elite for this purpose if so specified by an SSR or if the historical formation to which it belongs is either SS or Russian Guards.
Though this rule was written well before the first HASL appeared. Since it only mentions "printed scenario" and "DYO".
STAVKA
Elder Member
I think the terms 'Historical formation' and 'belongs' to is unclear for a CG scenario.
Larry
Elder Member
Klas's observation that C8.2 may not have anticipated the HASL situation is probably the easiest path to permit either a clarifying Q&A or errata.
STAVKA
Elder Member
A25.2 should also be considered.
Larry
Elder Member
The scenario describes the unit fighting as Guards. But we are talking about two find in the initial OB. I guess it matters on the smoke ... for the side on defense. So it is probably a moot point.
FMFCB
Member
It's also ACPR for the AT guns. And Tanks?
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Larry
Elder Member
2 x 76* IN and 2 x 45LL. No tanks in the initial OB. The 45LL - which I overlooked in haste - is important. The issue would be the CPP on the initial OB. Probably Guards.
I think that also plays to STAVKA's point in the context of the CG: reinforcements and CPP from regular troops or the elite parent division. Without a specification of the division from the replenishment phase ... regular troops, not Guards.
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Justiciar
Elder Member
But wouldn't a HASL scenario be* a "printed scenario"?
klasmalmstrom
Forum Guru
Without an SSR for the specific HASL I think it could be tough to determine which part of the OB is Guards.
Take CG III of VotG as an example: Elements of the 13th Guards Rifle Division and 284th “Siberian” Rifle Division - which units/RG would be Guards?
One could always drop MMP a Q&A.
Justiciar
Elder Member
Yes, agree there...
I am speaking to a H series scenario that has all Guards ...wouldn't that still qualify as a printed scenario even though a HASL...VoTg 8 EX....Votg 10...even 12 where you can tell the Guards from the non-Guards
I am speaking to a H series scenario that has all Guards ...wouldn't that still qualify as a printed scenario even though a HASL...VoTg 8 EX....Votg 10...even 12 where you can tell the Guards from the non-Guards
klasmalmstrom
Forum Guru
I honestly don't know for a HASL. For X-TAG, best is probably to drop MMP a Q&A - or perhaps reach out to Fortenberry and ask how it was playtested.
FMFCB
Member
Yes Thanks
Justiciar
Elder Member
How it was PTed should surely be known by MMP via PT reports and general discussion and the like.
I have submitted a Q and A on the general topic and specific topic of certain VotG scenarios as the teleprompter is likely telling you....
