Rowhouse Control - lost by Infiltration?

[Tuomo]

A German squad is alone in a 2-hex rowhouse and thus Controls the building. Two Russian squads move in to the other hex of the rowhouse and advance in to the German squad's hex for CC.

If the German squad ambushes the Russians and withdraws from the ambush into the rowhouse hex the Russians just came from, does it lose control of the building during the moment it is in rowhouse Bypass between the two hexes?

 

[Stewart]

Since you are moving from One location to another location in the same building....no loss of control should occur.
This is akin to moving between building hexes that are "U" shaped and crossing the OG hexside.You never move into a non building hex.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Q&A

A26.14 & B23.71
If a friendly Good Order MMC uses Rowhouse Bypass while an enemy Good Order MMC is another Location of the same
Rowhouse, does the enemy MMC gain Control of that building? (Assume these are the only two units in the Rowhouse.)
A. No.

 

[Tuomo]

Where were you when I needed you 12 hours ago, Klas? SOMEBODY SHOULD BE ON CALL. I DEMAND TO SPEAK WITH THE MANAGER

 

[Jazz]

Where were you when I needed you 12 hours ago, Klas? SOMEBODY SHOULD BE ON CALL. I DEMAND TO SPEAK WITH THE MANAGER

Oh! The HUMANITY!

 

[Perry]

Where were you when I needed you 12 hours ago, Klas? SOMEBODY SHOULD BE ON CALL. I DEMAND TO SPEAK WITH THE MANAGER

We’ve taught Klas to consider the requester.

 

[Sparafucil3]

If only I had written about this.

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[ScottRomanowski]

SOMEBODY SHOULD BE ON CALL. I DEMAND TO SPEAK WITH THE MANAGER

If only the Q&A were available online!

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[Tuomo]

If only the Q&A were available online!

I looked in there but actually didn't see it.

We need to idiot-proof these things.

 

[Gordon]

I looked in there but actually didn't see it.

We need to idiot-proof these things.

Then we just breed better idiots.

 

[mgmasl]

Idiot-proof any ASL issue?
We need a súper-Genius to get this Job done…. A super-genius playing ASL, of course..
any candidate?

 

[Gordon]

 

[mgmasl]

Is an ASL player?

 

[Gordon]

 

[SSlunt]

Then what is the difference from moving out of the building and then moving back in. Rowhouse Bypass states that you spend one to "bypass" in the hex it is leaving where it would be attacked by any OBA/Residual‑FP and two to enter the building), You are no longer in the building so therefore would lose control

As for Stews comment about "This is akin to moving between building hexes that are "U" shaped and crossing the OG hexside. " You do not send any MF in an the open ground hex so you do not lose control

 

[EagleIV]

Then what is the difference from moving out of the building and then moving back in. Rowhouse Bypass states that you spend one to "bypass" in the hex it is leaving where it would be attacked by any OBA/Residual‑FP and two to enter the building), You are no longer in the building so therefore would lose control

As for Stews comment about "This is akin to moving between building hexes that are "U" shaped and crossing the OG hexside. " You do not send any MF in an the open ground hex so you do not lose control

When you spend 1 MF to bypass a rowhouse you never are never considered to have left the building entered that other hex/Location outside the building for control, minefield, OBA, etc. purposes, you are moving directly from 1 building Location to another Location in the same building, it just takes a little longer than most other buildings as you step outside and dash to the next doorway (and you can be fired at as you do so, but like a snap shot you aren't on the hexside you are in one of the 2 hexes. If you look at the B23.71 EX the routing unit is never in I6. It is routing directly from I7 to H6 and it is only in those 2 Locations during the RtPh.

 

[SSlunt]

"Can be Interdicted or Defensive First Fired upon with FFMO/FFNAM DRM by any unit capable of doing so that can trace a LOS to the vertex of the hexside crossed by the moving/routing unit on that side of the building.
So yes you fire at the hexside Yes you are not in the building. You spend a MF outside of the building. You get no drm for the build so you must be outside the building.

When was the Q&A added - between which iteration of the rule books

 

[PresterJohn]

Isn't this just another form of limited bypass movement where the vertex is an aiming point but the target unit is never considered to be at the vertex? The infantry unit can only ever be in one hex or the other and the extra movement cost and exposure at the vertex reflects the hazard of moving between those locations.

 

[mgmasl]

Real argument..
units from the squad (10?) move one to one and distance to travel is very short.. so there is always units in rhe building..
I personally have no problem with this Q&A..
not sure if moving betwen two different locations of the building by crossing a non-building hexside has the same effect.. I think so.

 

[Stewart]

Where were you when I needed you 12 hours ago, Klas? SOMEBODY SHOULD BE ON CALL. I DEMAND TO SPEAK WITH THE MANAGER

Have you considered Marriage?