Routing from a sangar and WA

[Ricardo Garcia]

There is a broken Japanise unit in N3 (which is an open ground hex with a sangar), and they are inside the sangar. The Italian units in O4(which is a stone building with a hedge separating it from N3) didn't declare WA when the Japanese unit broke during the PFPh. Now it's the RtPh. Can the Japanese unit claim the hedge TEM when they come out of the sangar in N3, or since they are broken, they cannot do that, and the Italian units have it nevertheless? Do the Japanese unit have to surrender?
Sorry if it has been asked before and thanks in advance.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Even though the broken unit does not have WA - still gets the hedge TEM vs the Italians - since they don't have WA either.

B9.32.
"A target unit not claiming WA receives only in-hex TEM, but may instead use wall/hedge TEM vs enemy units which do not have WA over the hexside. "

 

[Ricardo Garcia]

So, in order to have prevented the rout, the Italian units would have had to reclaim the WA the moment the Japanese unit broke, during the PFPh.
Another question, since the Japanese units were inside the sangar, and the Italian units in the building, nobody had WA initially, or did they? The Japanes since they were in a hex with no inherent TEM?. So the moment the Japanse unit broke, they didn't really give up WA (unless they had WA as I've already written), could the Italian units nevertheless claim the WA at that moment? Or would they have to wait to their next APh, which was the next time they could do so?
Sorry if it's a bit confusing.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

So, in order to have prevented the rout, the Italian units would have had to reclaim the WA the moment the Japanese unit broke, during the PFPh.

Actually the Japanese units did not have WA - you can't claim WA when "beneath an entrenchment counter" (B9.32). So if the Italians wanted WA, they should have taken in the RPh.

Another question, since the Japanese units were inside the sangar, and the Italian units in the building, nobody had WA initially, or did they? The Japanes since they were in a hex with no inherent TEM?. So the moment the Japanse unit broke, they didn't really give up WA (unless they had WA as I've already written), could the Italian units nevertheless claim the WA at that moment? Or would they have to wait to their next APh, which was the next time they could do so?

Per above, the Japanese unit could not have had WA - so the Italians could not claim it, since the Japanese unit never lost it.

 

[Actionjick]

What scenario is this with Italians, Japanese and sangars? OMOOT

 

[Robin Reeve]

There is an LFT scenario about Japanese attacking an Italian concession in China.

 

[Ricardo Garcia]

What scenario is this with Italians, Japanese and sangars? OMOOT

Ciao Cina, de Le Franc Tireur

 

[Actionjick]

There is an LFT scenario about Japanese attacking an Italian concession in China.

Thanks! That's a new one for me!

 

[Actionjick]

Ciao Cina, de Le Franc Tireur

Thanks! It can't get much more bizarre than that! I think!!

 

[Robin Reeve]

 

[Actionjick]

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Very interesting. Thanks!