Questions on CdG Counters

[Pitman]

yes, there needs to be a complete Free French OB. That's what I originally proposed.

 

[MAS01]

No FCM 2C counters???

 

[klasmalmstrom]

But if we now have Free French (British equipped) counters, why do we need the British-colored French Vehicles anymore.

The Free French counters are only 1/2" counters. All the British/American Guns/Vehicles they used are not provided in French blue.

 

[lightspeed]

Three "sets":

• standard French in French blue;
• Vichy French in French blue with a German-blue border (use German "?"counters); and
• Free French with Brit counter art but in French blue with a white "Cross of Lorraine" symbol

Are the (standard) French and the Vichy French functionally identical? Meaning same strength values
and broken morale? I think I saw somewhere 6-4-8 Free French. Presumably, that's the British infantry
values in Free French kit.

indy

 

[jrv]

Are the (standard) French and the Vichy French functionally identical? Meaning same strength values
and broken morale? I think I saw somewhere 6-4-8 Free French. Presumably, that's the British infantry
values in Free French kit.

The vichy french are the same as the standard french, but with a german-colored border. The free french are in french blue but with british values. For battles between free french and vichy? Invasion of Gabon CG, anyone? Kissoué?

JR

 

[Bob Walters]

The vichy french are the same as the standard french, but with a german-colored border. The free french are in french blue but with british values. For battles between free french and vichy? Invasion of Gabon CG, anyone? Kissoué?
JR

That would be awesome!

 

[Robin Reeve]

The vichy french are the same as the standard french, but with a german-colored border. The free french are in french blue but with british values. For battles between free french and vichy? Invasion of Gabon CG, anyone? Kissoué?

JR

Syria comes to mind too.

 

[bprobst]

Of course, using the old counters Free French vs. Vichy French encounters used regular British and regular French squads. So there was never a chance of confusion. This change of counter colour is just that and nothing more (unless there's some other consideration that I'm missing).

 

[Richard Weiley]

Without vehicle and ordnance counters in the new colours I don't see the advantage of these additional counter sets over the old approach.

 

[Bob Walters]

I like the idea of different colors for different nationalities. I do wish they had also done the vehicles. Really though, it is only cosmetic.

 

[jrv]

Without vehicle and ordnance counters in the new colours I don't see the advantage of these additional counter sets over the old approach.

If they are indeed intended for the few times that Free French fought Vichy French, it makes some sense. The Free French avoided situations where they had to fight the Vichy French, and there are maybe a handful of occasions. I can only find the two I mentioned. Most of the Syrian/Middle East campaign was fought by the Australians. It may be the case that during the Vichy French either had no heavy weapons/vehicles (Kissoué) or had such that can be represented with the German OB. So the only use for them would be vs. Free French. In American or German vs. Vichy (vs. the Germans, recently) scenarios, for example, the Vichy forces would use ordinary French counters.

JR

 

[JRKrejsa]

Without vehicle and ordnance counters in the new colours I don't see the advantage of these additional counter sets over the old approach.

I just like the idea of the Free French having different artwork and "French" names.

The British SMC names and artwork just seemed odd.

 

[xenovin]

It was to protect them in case they were captured

I just like the idea of the Free French having different artwork and "French" names.

The British SMC names and artwork just seemed odd.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

I just like the idea of the Free French having different artwork and "French" names.

The British SMC names and artwork just seemed odd.

The Free French still have British artwork.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Without vehicle and ordnance counters in the new colours I don't see the advantage of these additional counter sets over the old approach.

There is no real advantage I guess, unless one didn't like using British-colored counters for the Free French.

 

[Old Noob]

Anyone playing "Fratricidal Fighting" {Free French vs Vichy French in Syria}?

 

[jrv]

Anyone playing "Fratricidal Fighting" {Free French vs Vichy French in Syria}?

I don't think the French 25LL are available in German colors, so it must be expected that the Vichy side uses the standard French gun counters.

JR

 

[klasmalmstrom]

I don't think the French 25LL are available in German colors, so it must be expected that the Vichy side uses the standard French gun counters.

They do - the new rule for Vichy.

25.58 VICHY FRENCH: Vichy French Personnel and SW counters have a unique two-tone color and are used after June 1940 for Vichy French forces. Vichy French use French vehicles and guns and in some circumstances German SW, vehicles, and guns.

 

[william.stoppel]

They do - the new rule for Vichy.

25.58 VICHY FRENCH: Vichy French Personnel and SW counters have a unique two-tone color and are used after June 1940 for Vichy French forces. Vichy French use French vehicles and guns and in some circumstances German SW, vehicles, and guns.

Another reason not to punch and clip either the Vichy or Free French

 

[Old Noob]

Always punch and clip counters, you have to stay adept in the practice of that activity.