Questions around 10.711 voluntary rout and interdiction

Ric of The LBC

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Which Rulebook is that 10.711 from? Yours says at the end, explicitly, that the leader DRM applies for interdiction NMCs. I felt like an idiot for missing that until I realized the 10.711 I quoted inexplicably does not include that text.

@jrv. I'll bet you (and Mr. T) a million Web-Bux that the[EXC. Voluntary Rout] allows one brokie stacked with one leader, and no more. That's how confident I am. Hell... make it two million Web-Bux.
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10.711 VOLUNTARY ROUT: A non-berserk, non-pinned leader already stacked with a broken unit before it routs may elect to rout with the broken unit even though he is not broken. If he does so, the leader shares the broken unit's vulnerability to Interdiction and, although he does not have to take any Interdiction NMC himself, he is eliminated if the broken unit he is stacked on top of fails an Interdiction MC. (...)

If the latter is meant then it does raise the question of what happens when one of the many broken units routing is pinned and/or interdicted: how would that carry over to the leader? Would a pin of one (of several) broken unit end the rout of the leader and/or the other broken units For that reason if you believe that voluntary rout also allows multiple broken units to rout at the same time, you need to submit for a q&a explaining how that is resolved. That will also answer the question of whether routing multiple broken units is allowed in the first place.
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A10.711 gives a plausible answer: the leader shares the fate of the unit he is stacked on top. That does not prevent other broken units to be beneath that unit.
 

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10.711 VOLUNTARY ROUT: A non-berserk, non-pinned leader already stacked with a broken unit before it routs may elect to rout with the broken unit even though he is not broken. If he does so, the leader shares the broken unit's vulnerability to Interdiction and, although he does not have to take any Interdiction NMC himself, he is eliminated if the broken unit he is stacked on top of fails an Interdiction MC. (...)



A10.711 gives a plausible answer: the leader shares the fate of the unit he is stacked on top. That does not prevent other broken units to be beneath that unit.
I'm with Ric on this one. You're parsing out too much of the EXC. The entire portion of the rule reads "Broken units must rout away (ATTACKER first — one unit at a time [EXC: Voluntary Rout; 10.711]) during that RtPh or be eliminated for Failure to Rout [EXC: Surrender; 20.21]." which explicitly indicates the 1st "EXC" references 10.711 that applies only to a leader being able to rout with broken unit, not any additional units. How one could read anything further into that statement without totally disregarding the portion in bold is beyond me.
 

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@Ric of The LBC

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Oh jeez, I just realized there's another circumstance that needs answering... and it may actually be the one that makes the most real over the board difference in a game: Can two leaders Voluntarily Rout with one brokie (allowing an extraneous leader to Rout away from trouble without voluntarily breaking.) ?
Yes. There is nothing that says only one leader stacked with can excute such a rout... To form the restriction you envision the rule would need to read "Only one non-berserk, non-pinned leader already stacked... " (Eeeegad, you need some time on the couch Specialist Pyth, I worry now about this compounded by the 5/8" Dummy Jeep jitters...)

A non-berserk, non-pinned leader already stacked with a broken unit before it routs may elect to rout with the broken unit even though he is not broken. If he does so, the leader shares the broken unit’s vulnerability to Interdiction and, although he does not have to take any Interdiction NMC himself, he is eliminated if the broken unit he is stacked on top of fails an Interdiction MC. He must remain with the broken unit throughout the RtPh, but is not considered broken and may add his leadership DRM to its Interdiction NMC. The leader, if already in possession of a SW, may portage it, but cannot improve the broken unit’s portage capacity.
 

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Yes. There is nothing that says only one leader stacked with can excute such a rout... To form the restriction you envision the rule would need to read "Only one non-berserk, non-pinned leader already stacked... " (Eeeegad, you need some time on the couch Specialist Pyth, I worry now about this compounded by the 5/8" Dummy Jeep jitters...)

A non-berserk, non-pinned leader already stacked with a broken unit before it routs may elect to rout with the broken unit even though he is not broken. If he does so, the leader shares the broken unit’s vulnerability to Interdiction and, although he does not have to take any Interdiction NMC himself, he is eliminated if the broken unit he is stacked on top of fails an Interdiction MC. He must remain with the broken unit throughout the RtPh, but is not considered broken and may add his leadership DRM to its Interdiction NMC. The leader, if already in possession of a SW, may portage it, but cannot improve the broken unit’s portage capacity.
Unlike the Dummy's-From-Another-Module Discussion, which indeed had me seeking PTSD counselling as well as tranquilizers and strong drink, everything in this discussion makes sense, even the people I disagree with have been making sense.

Anyway I agree with your reading of voluntary rout allowing multiple leaders to rout with a single brokie.
 

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I'm with Ric on this one. You're parsing out too much of the EXC. The entire portion of the rule reads "Broken units must rout away (ATTACKER first — one unit at a time [EXC: Voluntary Rout; 10.711]) during that RtPh or be eliminated for Failure to Rout [EXC: Surrender; 20.21]." which explicitly indicates the 1st "EXC" references 10.711 that applies only to a leader being able to rout with broken unit, not any additional units. How one could read anything further into that statement without totally disregarding the portion in bold is beyond me.
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"During a Voluntary Rout (10.711), Broken units must rout away (ATTACKER first — as many units at a time as desired ) during that RtPh or..."
 
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