Question about Pillbox set up

[mgmasl]

I think a non-PTO pillbox and its contents are placed HIP during initial setup until in LOS of enemy units. Even if clearly in LOS and so being revealed inmediately after enemy unit setup at the start of turn 1. Am I right?

 

[EagleIV]

You are correct except that they are revealed after enemy setup and just before the start of turn 1, not that the difference really matters.

 

[von Marwitz]

But as PBs are Concealment Terrain, their contents would remain HIP even if the PBs themselves are revealed, I think (B30.7).

von Marwitz

 

[mgmasl]

Another question is .. May a unit place onboard under concealment units IN a pillbox without placing the pillbox? I mean similar to units under unknown entrenchments.., or placement HIP with the pillbox is mandatory.

 

[von Marwitz]

Another question is .. May a unit place onboard under concealment units IN a pillbox without placing the pillbox? I mean similar to units under unknown entrenchments.., or placement HIP with the pillbox is mandatory.

It is mandatory, see B30.7 last sentence:
"If a pillbox sets up hidden, so do its contents."

von Marwitz

 

[witchbottles]

however, HIP and / or concealment of a Pillbox contents will never affect incoming fire, there is no area fire penalty for shooting at such targets.

 

[mgmasl]

Sure.. But after setting troops for attack you may discover a bunker in front of your troops covering the planned attack route..

 

[von Marwitz]

Sure.. But after setting troops for attack you may discover a bunker in front of your troops covering the planned attack route..

Yup. If other HIP units are part of the OoB, even an empty bunker thus revealed (and an evil surprise still hidden nearby) could give the attacker the creeps...

von Marwitz

 

[witchbottles]

Yup. If other HIP units are part of the OoB, even an empty bunker thus revealed (and an evil surprise still hidden nearby) could give the attacker the creeps...

von Marwitz

nothing a >=75mm AP shell fired point blank from the NCA could not fix ( )

 

[jrv]

Another question is .. May a unit place onboard under concealment units IN a pillbox without placing the pillbox? I mean similar to units under unknown entrenchments.., or placement HIP with the pillbox is mandatory.

You can still end up with non-HIP units in a HIP pillbox. If the pillbox sets up empty and a unit enters it while out of LOS of enemy units, the entry would cost zero MF and the pillbox would not be placed on board.

JR