Provence Pack query

[Stewart]

PP1
Since all German mmc/SMC are TI as a whole and lose that status as a whole, Do you mark them?

The reason is the OB has 24 ?ments which would then be useless as they aren't mmc/SMC and thus NOT TI.

 

[Eagle4ty]

Since both sides set up on board the concealment counters can be used to conceal the German force prior to the setup of the Allied force. It is quite conceivable that not all German units will be within LOS of the Free French forces initially and thus not all will initially lose concealment on turn 1 due to being TI (though quite likely some may).

 

[Stewart]

So, your dummy counters can move around the board freely.

 

[Eagle4ty]

So, your dummy counters can move around the board freely.

If you wish to foolishly create Dummy Stacks, sure (perhaps as Sniper bait?)

 

[klasmalmstrom]

...It is quite conceivable that not all German units will be within LOS of the Free French forces initially and thus not all will initially lose concealment on turn 1 due to being TI (though quite likely some may).

Does being TI cause loss of concealment?

 

[Eagle4ty]

Does being TI cause loss of concealment?

It does for this scenario per SSR.

 

[Stewart]

It does for this scenario per SSR.

IF in the LOS to an enemy unit.

It appears that Dummies can trigger the Loss of TI for the Germans.
As they are considered Units. The SSR doesn't distinguish MMC/SMC vs Units

And since the German MMC/SMC are the only German units that are TI, the dummies wouldn't be.
Also, all SW/Guns would be placed on top of all German stacks as unpossessed weapons can't be concealed and you don't put them at the bottom of the stack as that would "conceal" them.

FtF I'm sure you opponent might not want you fingering his stacks looking for unpossessed SW

 

[Stewart]

If you wish to foolishly create Dummy Stacks, sure (perhaps as Sniper bait?)

The dummy stacks can trigger the TI loss if shot.
or has LOS.

 

[laurent closier]

Hi Stewart,

I am not the designer (Laurent Cunin is but he left the ASL world many years ago) but I will try to answer you by submitting this new SSR7 :
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All German stacks (including dummies stacks and single-counter stacks) are considered TI (A4.8) at the begin of the scenario. TI effects last until any German stack has LOS to a Known enemy unit, the instant any German stack is attacked, or at the beginning of Turn 3 (whichever comes first). TI German units automatically lose concealment when any Good Order enemy unit has LOS at ≤ 16 hex range. SW Recovery by TI units is NA.

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In addition, add the following at the end of SSR2 :
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Unpossessed SW may set up concealed.

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Hope this helps.

 

[Stewart]

Its ok.
You can "conceal" the SW at game start...

that Unpossessed SW addition is a BIT important.
I would assume that applies to GUNS as well?

So, Dummy stacks can Cause teh TI status to be removed when LOS to enemy unit is obtained/shot at/etc....

 

[Stewart]

If you wish to foolishly create Dummy Stacks, sure (perhaps as Sniper bait?)

As the SSR's are written....use of the Dummies would conceal the location of all the other REAL SW in the German OB if so desired.
Considering there are exactly double the ?ments to MMC (non crew) You can represent a SW and Leader in every known German stack on the board/