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[Gunner Scott]

Received my copies from Ritterkrieg yesterday, looked over the scenarios, almost all are very SSR intensive. I guess these guys went to the andy hershey school of HASL design lol. Will I play these? I dont know, most seem to be on the super large side with several blocks of SSR's. But thats my take on it.

 

[voyager77]

Agree with Gunner. Several pages of special rules that are complex. While I know they tried to replicate the terrain of the battle looks like you’ll spend a lot of time trying to figure out LOS. Only a couple scenarios less than 12 turns. Most have very large OB’s. Sadly disappointed.

 

[Gordon]

Well it was supposedly the largest tank battle in history. I doubt a scenario with single T-34 versus a Ferdinand will capture the essence.

 

[Gunner Scott]

I am not downing these guys hard work, I'm just saying this one is really not my jam.

Well it was supposedly the largest tank battle in history. I doubt a scenario with single T-34 versus a Ferdinand will capture the essence.

 

[JimWhite]

Got mine from Ritterkrieg today. Woohoo!

Did you get a tracking number after making payment?

 

[Honza]

My tracking says it is due tomorrow. It is already in the UK. What I hear about this module makes me even more excited about it. I always did love the big and complex stuff.

 

[Honza]

Well it was supposedly the largest tank battle in history. I doubt a scenario with single T-34 versus a Ferdinand will capture the essence.

I get your point, but there were no Ferdinands down South.

 

[Gordon]

I get your point, but there were no Ferdinands down South.

 

[76mm]

Did you get a tracking number after making payment?

Yes

 

[JimWhite]

Yes

Ok...thanks. I have not received one so I will reach out to Derek.

 

[Honza]

Here are the four areas covered in the Prokhorovka maps and how they relate to each other.

 

[Honza]

And the bigger view....

 

[von Marwitz]

Here are the four areas covered in the Prokhorovka maps and how they relate to each other.

I am not familiar with the details of the tactical situation, so here is my question:

With the Soviets pushing from Sovkhoz Oktyabrsky towards Sovkhoz Komsomolets, how is the likely flanking fire that they would receive from SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt. 1, SS-Pz.Jg.Abt. 1, and SS-Stug.Abt. 1 in the woods be handled in the CG, which would come from an area just off-map?

The presence of StuGs and Panzerjägers in that woods seems to indicate that just such flanking fire was intended by the Germans.

von Marwitz

 

[sebosebi]

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I am not familiar with the details of the tactical situation, so here is my question:

With the Soviets pushing from Sovkhoz Oktyabrsky towards Sovkhoz Komsomolets, how is the likely flanking fire that they would receive from SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt. 1, SS-Pz.Jg.Abt. 1, and SS-Stug.Abt. 1 in the woods be handled in the CG, which would come from an area just off-map?

The presence of StuGs and Panzerjägers in that woods seems to indicate that just such flanking fire was intended by the Germans.

von Marwitz

The white line that flanks the 1-5 big map is a road but, mainly, an highly elevated railroad through which there was no LOS and that cut the battlefield in two parts... an entire Soviet tank brigade (25th) attacked from Yamki the Storozhevoje woods and kept very busy part of the SS PzGrenRgt 1, PzJgAbt 1 and StuGAbt 1. Furthermore other elements of these units were involved in attack vs. Storozhevoje village. SS StuGAbt 1 was also in reserve and rally after two days of heavy fights. This allowed an entire T-34 company (15 tanks) of the 32nd Soviet Tank Brigade, commanded by Maj. Ivanov, and a small amount of supporting infantry to penetrate in the area between the railroad and the woods in the early stages of the battle and to reach undisturbed Komsomolets sovkhoz.

 

[PabloGS]

I get your point, but there were no Ferdinands down South.

And it was not the largest tank battle in history either!

 

[Gordon]

And it was not the largest tank battle in history either!

Brody?

 

[Honza]

Brody?

So I heard. Dubno/Brody.

 

[PabloGS]

This is pretty good:

 

[pwashington]

Believe Dubno was it in terms of number of vehicles. It was earlier in the war, so didn't have the big beasts roaming around, so not as sexy. Also, the Germans also came out better than the Soviets did (unlike Kursk/Prokhorovka), so it's probably not surprising that it didn't get a lot of emphasis in Soviet literature. I believe there are a few scenarios based on various parts of the battle.

 

[PabloGS]

This also: http://www.dupuyinstitute.org/blog/2018/05/12/was-kursk-the-largest-tank-battle-in-history/

Basically the whole of Kursk was huge. But Prokhorovka was not that big. The Russian commander of 5th Guards Tank Army, that led the charge, had to justify its horrendous losses by stating that he had “broken the back” of the SS tank arm. And the lie kept being used because it was a terrible fiasco all over the command line. Western sources just quoted this story after the war.