My criticism was with respect to HOB releasing a product that didn't meet their own internal quality standards, which they openly admitted. It had nothing to do with aspects of the map (it was several others who focused on the map), and you're only confusing or deliberately misdirecting (I don't know which) complaints of others with comments of my own.
You seem to forget how easy it is to go back and ‘review’ what you actually did say as I have shown many times that you talk out of both sides of your mouth. So, let’s see who is "confusing or deliberately misdirecting" shall we?
All of the statements below were taken from the ‘Kreta’ topic.
If it had nothing to do with the aspects of the map, then why do you refer to the map twice in this statement below? Lying again? Your last sentence is a particularly nasty dig and typical of you.
I agree with Pitman that HOB acted unprofessionally in releasing the Kreta product with a map it knew full well it didn't match the specs they provided to their printing company.
Pitman is bang-on, HOB should have delayed the Kreta release until they received a well-deserved new map run from their printer which met their specs. Their printer should be held accountable for their fundamental mistakes. And HOB should be accountable for their decision to use a poor printing company, as well as trying to let this printing error slide with their customers.
I'll be honest and admit I don't buy from companies which act unprofessionally in entirely preventable ways.
Here is Steve D’s response to you as he is responding to what is obviously the most brutal of the complaints.
"I agree with Pitman that HOB acted unprofessionally in releasing the Kreta product with a map it knew full well it didn't match the specs they provided to their printing company".
Dude thats what I'm talking about I got 40 copies and opened one and did not sense a big issue, only after the complaints came in did I look more closely into it and talk with the printer and found out the details. It may have been a lapse but no intention of doing the wrong thing.
Here’s your second attack. YOU DON’T EVEN OWN THE PRODUCT AND HADN’T SEEN IT!!!
Stevedeth,
I'm curious to know why you weren't more thorough when you reviewed the final batch of map "proofs" from your printer. If I was about to ship 1000+ paper copies of items I have customers paying for, I would take close care to final look and feel of final product before the product left the door.
As a prospective customer, I'm turned off from HOB, not because the Kreta map is "too thin", but that your company released a product that you knew did not meet your own internal production specifications. And is still debating what it's going to do about it.
Here is Steve D’s response and you can tell he is upset. He did not respond this way to any other person.
Portal,
Thanks for paying attention. The part about the proofs were good and I did not detect a problem with the production copy that I opened? If you want me to open each copy of shrink wrapped product then I may have to hire some umpaloompas to look at it, unless you want to come over and do it. It not like we said tuff **** after the problems manifested, we are trying to work it out the problem but some of you still seem to think that we are just out to screw you. This is what I am talking about let me sort it out if you don't want to buy anything in the future fine I don't want to sell it to you. There are now four people on that list that we will not accept orders from.
In case you all missed it. Sorry that there is an issue with the Thinness of the map, IT WAS NOT INTENDED AND NOT CAUGHT IN TIME I APOLOGISE FOR THE OVERSIGHT. I AM IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE PRINTER TO SEE IF ANYTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT. IF YOUR MAP IS SO BAD THAT YOU CANNOT PLAY ON IT THEN CONTACT ME DIRECTLY AND WE WILL WORK SOMETHING OUT.
Again, you didn’t own the product and had no intention of buying it, but you took special glee in their misery and piled on the best you could with this comment:
I have yet to read anything in this thread which ignores what HOB has succeeded in doing and what they do well. I have read some comments in this thread that ignores some HOB product weaknesses and areas for improvement just because "HOB are a bunch of great guys".
And now you are doing the EXACT SAME THING to Bounding Fire!
Leja, It’s obvious that you take pleasure in the pain of others. Instead of being supportive you love to find a weakness. You pick at that weakness and continue to pick until you get your pound of flesh. Why did you attack Steve D? Why do you constantly remind MMP about DB3 and the Map Bundle at every opportunity? Why did you start this topic? So you can continue to
pick. So you can continue to pile on and add to their misery. You don’t support our hobby, you pick at it and suck the lifeblood from it. Then you innocently claim, "I’m just trying to give them useful feedback."
I call BULLSH!T on you and your tactics.
, that no one should prepay unless the buyer views the TPP as "trusted." If Mark viewed them as trusted, and saw that there was an uncontrolable event occuring at the printers--"box cars" plus breaking ELR-- he would not have said squat. If it was a controlable event at the printers he might have turned the culprit TPP into a non-trusted one and he won't prepay on the next one--no comment would have been needed, especially telling the TPP to do it differently next time and the etc. 
