JAMiAM
TOAW III Project Manager
A brilliant essay by Josh Marshall in New Yorker Magazine. Too long to quote here...just go read it.
Some interesting parallels with the British empire if you can make it all the way through.JAMiAM said:A brilliant essay by Josh Marshall in New Yorker Magazine. Too long to quote here...just go read it.
LoL Dan. With you it's always "Which sidewalk should I drive my Hummer on? The Left sidewalk, or the Right sidewalk?"Cheetah772 said:Hello,
Humm...
Which would I rather to be, a terrorist and dictatorship appeaser or an American who is keenly concerned about the United States' national security and a desire to liberate Iraqis from a madman?
At least, that's an easy choice to make. Better than the rest of world.
Dan
Ahh...JAMiAM said:LoL Dan. With you it's always "Which sidewalk should I drive my Hummer on? The Left sidewalk, or the Right sidewalk?"
Did you ever stop to think that with a modicum of cooperation, we might all be able to get along with driving on the road? Or, that by looking at a map, and just a wee bit of planning, we can get where we need to go, with a lot less strife?
Dear Dan,Cheetah772 said:Hello Jlbetin,
I have two words for Europe: SHUT UP.
Dan
LoL...there is really nothing that could be added to this.Cheetah772 said:Hello Jlbetin,
Thank you for once proving your true colors. I sincerely believe the Euope really wants to appease every dictator or terrorist it encounters. That despite the stigma of two world wars and several modern colonial wars, the Europe is just full of what I would like to call, "sissycats."
If you want to bathe in hypocrisy, be my guest, but now, America is no longer the "super-sissycat" of the world, it is acting like a true superpower. Take notice of this, my dear French friend, America will determine the best course of action in her interests, not the rest of world.
My dear French friend, you do not vote in America, it is MY vote that will be heard loudly and clearly. Bush is doing what I WANT him to do, he has to listen to the American public first, not the world. That is exactly what an American president should do.
France never asked for America's permission in pursuing her French interests in Africa. Middle East is our area, why should you dare to force America to ask for permission?
I have two words for Europe: SHUT UP.
Dan
M'bwana DanCheetah772 said:Hello Jlbetin,
Thank you for once proving your true colors. I sincerely believe the Euope really wants to appease every dictator or terrorist it encounters. That despite the stigma of two world wars and several modern colonial wars, the Europe is just full of what I would like to call, "sissycats."
Dan
Questions:Cheetah772 said:Hello Jlbetin,
My dear French friend, you do not vote in America, it is MY vote that will be heard loudly and clearly. Bush is doing what I WANT him to do, he has to listen to the American public first, not the world. That is exactly what an American president should do.
Why US interfer in all African countries trying to counter act French influenceFrance never asked for America's permission in pursuing her French interests in Africa. Middle East is our area, why should you dare to force America to ask for permission?
Yes....we all know how much you want to sell out America to the world in the name of so-called "cooperation."JAMiAM said:LoL...there is really nothing that could be added to this.
The sole purpose of my post is to save this tripe for posterity. :nuts:
The United States had to look out for her interests during the Cold War.jlbetin said:Questions:
Why US help contras/Army to remove democratic elected governements see Chile by instance
Why US paid and help some specific political parties in rest of the world
Why US remove Saddam and let many other Dictators in many other countries as in south america ?
Africa? What a stupid comment! Africa is France's playground. Granted, the United States did pursue some interests in Angola and other African nations, however, it is France who takes the lead. Compared to the United States, France is far more aggressive in pursuing her African policy. Compared to the United States, France has a far worse record of supporting various pro-French dictators in place.Why US interfer in all African countries trying to counter act French influence
Why US don't accept the French/European countries policy in Middle east, it is your private Garden
Or More is the World the private Garden of the Great Texas Ranger George Walker Bush
Please tell me how is invading Afghanistan and Iraq not appreciative of democracy now that both have actually far more freedom than what could have been if either country was still under the dictatorships of Saddam and Taliban respectively? Can you tell me that?If Europe have to shut up let Europe do his own, but it seems that Rumsfeld don't appreciate freedom for others counties appart of USA
Der WanderFree
The "new" argument? Just what are you talking about?MikeJ said:Dan, here's a question...
given that maybe 10,000 Iraqi civilians died and (speculatively anyways) estimates of Iraqi military casualties topping off around 100,000 (I really have no idea what the figures actually are, these are just the highest estimates I've heard.. no doubt many died) I thought I'd put this question to you, which I caught in some bloggers rant the other day:
An argument that the pro-war people use, but not exclusively them, is that if you have to sacrifice some lives to benefit even more lives, then thats the right thing to do.
If the WTC turns out to be a profitable venture for the USA, not merely economically, but also geo-politically (and this is really a given at this point), would it have been right for Bush to let it happen assuming he had foreknowledge of precisely when and where the attacks would occur?
If you really believe in your "new" argument (as opposed to what you used to tell us was the reason you supported the invasion of Iraq), then I'm curious how you would respond.