Will Fleming
Senior Member
In both cases, 5+1-1=5.
....Perry
MMP
On April 16, 2017 at 4:59 AM William Fleming <> wrote:
Perry/MMP,
Thanks for the great support as always. A couple of questions came up in a game recently.
A) What is the final CCV value of an unpinned squad and a pinned leader? 6 or 5?
A11.5 CC vs A VEHICLE: Infantry/Cavalry (only) may attack a vehicle in the CCPh but they do not use the Odds Ratios or the Kill Numbers printed on the CCT as they do when attacking Personnel. Instead, the Basic Kill Number of any vehicle in CC is the Close Combat Value (CCV) of the Personnel attacking it. The CCV of a squad is 5, a Crew is 4, a HS is 3, and a SMC is 2. The CCV is modified by +1 for an Assault Engineer, -1 for an Inexperienced unit, and +1 for a SMC combining with the main attacking unit in the same attack. A CCV subject to any form of halving FP penalty (such as being pinned) is reduced by one for each such penalty. If the CC DR is < the CCV of the attacker, the vehicle is eliminated (and turned into a burning wreck if the CC DR is ≤ half of the CCV). If the CC DR equals the CCV of the attacker the vehicle is immobilized instead. No more than two units may combine into a single CC attack vs a vehicle and one of the units in any combined attack must be a SMC who modifies the CCV of the other unit by +1. A single CC attack cannot affect both a vehicle and Personnel (except for the PRC of a vehicle, which are eliminated if the vehicle is destroyed). However, with multiple attackers in the same Location, one attack can be made vs Personnel (11.611) and subsequent attacks vs a vehicle, perhaps with a better chance of success due to the elimination of Personnel in the earlier attack.
B) What is the final CCV value of an unpinned squad and a first fired leader (say for reaction fire)?
D7.213 The only differences between resolving CC Reaction Fire and normal CC are that: CC Reaction Fire occurs during the MPh when no vehicle CC attacks (of any kind, including "sN"; A11.622) are allowed; no pinned unit—regardless of how it became pinned—may make a CC Reaction Fire attack [EXC: FPF CC; 7.212]; CC Reaction Fire conducted by a unit marked with a First/Final Fire counter (including its SW) has its CCV reduced by one; and ATTACKER Personnel Escort [EXC: PRC] in the Vehicle's Location are not affected by CC Reaction Fire, nor can they (even if PRC) engage the attacking DEFENDER in CC or with Bounding First Fire before the end of that DEFENDER CC action (and even then they can conduct no CC prior to the CCPh except possibly Infantry OVR; A4.15).
....Perry
MMP
On April 16, 2017 at 4:59 AM William Fleming <> wrote:
Perry/MMP,
Thanks for the great support as always. A couple of questions came up in a game recently.
A) What is the final CCV value of an unpinned squad and a pinned leader? 6 or 5?
A11.5 CC vs A VEHICLE: Infantry/Cavalry (only) may attack a vehicle in the CCPh but they do not use the Odds Ratios or the Kill Numbers printed on the CCT as they do when attacking Personnel. Instead, the Basic Kill Number of any vehicle in CC is the Close Combat Value (CCV) of the Personnel attacking it. The CCV of a squad is 5, a Crew is 4, a HS is 3, and a SMC is 2. The CCV is modified by +1 for an Assault Engineer, -1 for an Inexperienced unit, and +1 for a SMC combining with the main attacking unit in the same attack. A CCV subject to any form of halving FP penalty (such as being pinned) is reduced by one for each such penalty. If the CC DR is < the CCV of the attacker, the vehicle is eliminated (and turned into a burning wreck if the CC DR is ≤ half of the CCV). If the CC DR equals the CCV of the attacker the vehicle is immobilized instead. No more than two units may combine into a single CC attack vs a vehicle and one of the units in any combined attack must be a SMC who modifies the CCV of the other unit by +1. A single CC attack cannot affect both a vehicle and Personnel (except for the PRC of a vehicle, which are eliminated if the vehicle is destroyed). However, with multiple attackers in the same Location, one attack can be made vs Personnel (11.611) and subsequent attacks vs a vehicle, perhaps with a better chance of success due to the elimination of Personnel in the earlier attack.
B) What is the final CCV value of an unpinned squad and a first fired leader (say for reaction fire)?
D7.213 The only differences between resolving CC Reaction Fire and normal CC are that: CC Reaction Fire occurs during the MPh when no vehicle CC attacks (of any kind, including "sN"; A11.622) are allowed; no pinned unit—regardless of how it became pinned—may make a CC Reaction Fire attack [EXC: FPF CC; 7.212]; CC Reaction Fire conducted by a unit marked with a First/Final Fire counter (including its SW) has its CCV reduced by one; and ATTACKER Personnel Escort [EXC: PRC] in the Vehicle's Location are not affected by CC Reaction Fire, nor can they (even if PRC) engage the attacking DEFENDER in CC or with Bounding First Fire before the end of that DEFENDER CC action (and even then they can conduct no CC prior to the CCPh except possibly Infantry OVR; A4.15).