Per the new SMOKE q&a

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q&a said:
A24.4 Smoke height

The example states "Squad A fires at squad D with a +3 Smoke DRM for firing down through (but not out of) the Smoke in I4".

Question 1.

If squad A was at level 3, would it still incur a +3 Smoke DRM for firing down through the Smoke in I4?

Question 2.

Would the +3 DRM for the aforementioned attack from level 2 apply regardless of the range to squad D? From level 3?

Yes to both.

....Perry
In this example where hexes are SSR'd to level three (the magenta level counters), the hindrance for squad A using the new ruling is +3 while the hindrance for squad B, using standard blind hex rules, is +0 even though the LOS from squad A has to be above the LOS from squad B at every point at the same distance from squad D.

SmokeLevelThree.jpg

The simple answers that avoid having use trigonometry are, "No from level three, yes from level two at any range, no from level three at any range" (there are three questions, not two as Perry implies).

If you wanted to make a special case, you might say that at levels higher than two the SMOKE hindrance only applies against adjacent hexes.

Sigh.

JR
 

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Maybe some of the Smoke in G4 drifts up and gets into the eyes of the 6-6-6 squad. :)
 

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Maybe some of the Smoke in G4 drifts up and gets into the eyes of the 6-6-6 squad. :)
Perry has been involved with ASL for a long time, maybe he's had a senior moment and forgot the rule wording has been changed to Location and not hex - hey, anything's possible.:rolleyes::D
 

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Perry has been involved with ASL for a long time, maybe he's had a senior moment and forgot the rule wording has been changed to Location and not hex - hey, anything's possible.:rolleyes::D
I think part of the problem is that "Location" is not defined when being "in mid air". It is not defined how (indeed if) a LOS from an upper level Location goes through a Location in a lower level Location of the same hex.

It is easier when the LOS does not start in the SMOKE hex, because then one can (not sure it is actually in the rules, but it could be) play that if the SMOKE was an obstacle and it would block the LOS, then the SMOKE DRM applies - but that doesn't work in this case.
 

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Seems wrong ruling to me as it violates the general rule of reciprocity.

My mistake, misread the Q&A.

Rich
 
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Seems wrong ruling to me as it violates the general rule of reciprocity.
No, reciprocity still applies. A to D is +3; D to A is +3. B to D is +0; D to B is +0. JR's point is the strange difference in the LOS from A to D vs B to D, which has nothing to do with reciprocity.
 

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Seems wrong ruling to me as it violates the general rule of reciprocity.
I'm not sure what you mean here. The reciprocal LOSes, D-to-A and D-to-B, would also have +3 and +0 SMOKE hindrances, AFAIK.

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I think you may be expanding the Q&A past it's purpose. It deals with the example in A24.4 where squad A and D are adjacent. The smoke woukd apply from the extra height as it goes through the some via trig.
 

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The smoke woukd apply from the extra height as it goes through the some via trig.
I suppose "trig" here refers to trigonometry... and the LOS rules about Blind Hexes make it very clear that trigonometry has no say in this game.
 
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