Passenger SW in CC

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What happens to a passenger's SW if the vehicle they are a passenger in is turned into a non-blazing wreck in CC?
 

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It would be eliminated along with the Passenger.

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Sounds good, but this statement is not found in the rules. So let's cite some rules to really evaluate this:

A11.13 SW: A SW/ordnance counter may not be used in CC. Each Gun/SW counter possessed by a unit eliminated in CC may also be eliminated if the Original colored dr of that CC DR is a 1. The attacker makes a subsequent dr for each Gun/SW possessed by the eliminated unit and if this dr is ≤ the black Kill Number of that CC attack, the Gun/SW of the unit is eliminated also. All other SW of units eliminated or captured in CC remain in the Location unpossessed until Recovered (4.44).
It would be eliminated along with the Passenger.

D10.5 SCROUNGING: Any non-berserk, unbroken Infantry MMC not in Melee may attempt to salvage a functioning SW from a non-burning wreck or abandoned vehicle,

C5.6 indicates that there is no crew survival roll if passengers are eliminated in CC, but it says nothing about SW.

D6.9 SURVIVAL: The effects of Crew Survival (5.6) also apply to any Passenger/Rider of a vehicle destroyed by other than CC or burning. Each unit makes an individual DR to determine its own fate. A Rider who must check for Survival does not have to Bail Out. The Shock/Stun DRM applicable to inherent crews does not apply to Passengers but, if they happen to be broken, a +1 DRM applies to the Survival DR of those Passengers. SW not possessed by Surviving PRC are eliminated.

The latter rule DOES specify that SW are destroyed unless the vehicle succumbs in CC. since C5.6 does not specify destruction of the SW, there appears to be a gap in the rules allowing SW to survive CC and possibly be scrounged. Perhaps there are other rules?
 

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Per D10.51 only " Only BMG/AAMG/SW carried by the vehicle as per Vehicle Listing Notes..." may be scrounged, so even if SW formely possessed by a Passenger killed via the vehicle being destroyed in CC were left in the wreck, I don't think they could not be Scrounged.

I would be inclined to apply the last sentence of D6.9 in this situation. The PRC did not survive, so the SW are destroyed.
 
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