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Tropic Thunder!!!! nothing beats a rousing game of "Curly and the Bridagier".How about PTO HASL without Marines?
Proper PTO for me is British Commonwealth (Gurkhas, Aussies, Indians), Kachin Rangers + Chinese and all.
Tropic Thunder!!!! nothing beats a rousing game of "Curly and the Bridagier".How about PTO HASL without Marines?
Proper PTO for me is British Commonwealth (Gurkhas, Aussies, Indians), Kachin Rangers + Chinese and all.
How about PTO HASL without Marines?
Proper PTO for me is British Commonwealth (Gurkhas, Aussies, Indians), Kachin Rangers + Chinese and all.
Interesting comments. Lots of interesting things in this battle.
I agree that preparing a HASL for Kakazu Ridge is very do-able. Not sure how MMP would choose to handle this if at all, but my view would be the choice of 1) as a new HASL with map, new counters and rules, 2) just the new CG rules (2 different choices). I suspect many don't have the J2 release and would welcome having all this, while the guys with J2 in hand would only need the CG rules.
Wonder who the first person will be we see sniffing at the counters at an ASL tournament...Well, there is something more behind this:
I have read in many books that Japanese and Allied forces could detect their opponents by the way they smelled. The underlying fact seems to be that the body odor of Europeans (counting the Americans among them for being decendants) differs from those of people from the Far East.
ABCC11 - Wikipedia
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Demographics
World map of the distribution of the A allele of the single nucleotide polymorphism rs17822931 in the ABCC11 gene. The proportion of A alleles in each population is represented by the white area in each circle.
The history of the migration of humans can be traced back using the ABCC11 gene alleles. The variation between ear wax and body odor in ethnicities around the world are specifically due to the ABCC11 gene alleles.[7] It is hypothesized that 40,000 years ago, an ancient Mongoloid tribe evolved the dry ear wax phenotype that followed a spread of the dry ear wax allele to other regions of Asia via migration of the ancient tribe.[10] The gene spread as a result of it being a beneficial adaption or through an evolutionary neutral mutation mechanism that went through genetic drift events.[10]
The frequency of alleles for dry ear wax and odorless sweat is most concentrated in East- and Northeast Asia, most notably Korea, China, Mongolia, and western Japan.[7] Conversely the frequency of the allele for wet ear wax and odored sweat are highest in African-American and sub-saharan populations.[7] A downward gradient of dry ear wax allele phenotypes can be drawn from northern China to southern Asia and an east–west gradient can also be drawn from eastern Siberia to western Europe.[7] The allele frequencies within ethnicities continued to be maintained because the ABCC11 gene is inherited as a haplotype, a group of genes or alleles that tend to be inherited as a single unit[7][11]
The amount of volatile organic compounds (VOCs) in ear wax was found to be related to variation in ABCC11 genotype, which in turn is dependent on ethnic origin. In particular, the rs17822931 genotype, which is especially prevalent in East Asians, is correlated with lower VOC levels.[12]
So, while soldiers in the field subject to low hygiene will smell bad in any case, they will apparently still smell different due to their ethnic gene alleles in such a way that this was percieved by the soldiers in PTO of both sides. So facts rather than urban legend behind this.
von Marwitz
Aren't China Marines real Marines as well? Why would they be inferior?If the Corridor module is authentic, then at least the officers if not the noncoms in the naval infantry had China Marines. The noncoms in this very usual unit were mainly from the Chinese riverine gunboats (think Steve McQueen). The inferior ones had been naval petty officers, mainly from the bombed out base. Not sure if this means anything in ASL terms, however.
Not inferior at all. The 4th Marine Regiment was one of the more experienced units in the U.S. military and they had peacekeeping duties in Shanghai to protect the European and American sectors even while the Japanese were fighting in other parts of the city. They were transferred to Corregidor in late1941 when it became obvious they were at extreme risk if they remained. What Tim is talking about is the special Naval Battalion on Corregidor. It was comprised of former ship's crews, cooks, stewards, and Filipino volunteers. They had no ground combat training or experience, but they gave as much as they got in fighting the Japanese on Bottomside.Aren't China Marines real Marines as well? Why would they be inferior?
Why would you think it to be not authentic? BTW - it is Corregidor, not Corridor.If the Corridor module is authentic, then at least the officers if not the noncoms in the naval infantry had China Marines. The noncoms in this very usual unit were mainly from the Chinese riverine gunboats (think Steve McQueen). The inferior ones had been naval petty officers, mainly from the bombed out base. Not sure if this means anything in ASL terms, however.
I think that the China Marines were superior to the other Marines in the Pacific because of their experiences in China. The crews of the American gunboats may have been even better. Many were 15 to 20 year veterans, having fought small squad unit actions up and down their riverine base of operations. Steve McQueen character was quite representative of their combat ability. Fighting for decades Chinese bandits, Chinese Warlords, and Communists, they were among the best fighting men in the world. These two odd naval unit produced more American Medal of Honor winners than any other unit in WW2. And the medal winners were the officers and noncoms not the sailors. And because they were supplied by the Navy instead of the Army they were better feed than most American units there. The U.S. Navy started shipping supplies just as soon as the Japanese invaded. Unlike their Army counterparts. I told you people to read John Gordon book on these two units. Tim
The Japanese Official History of the campaign, which has never been translated into English, observed that the men of these units were very brave but had odd fighting skills. Few of the sailor enlisted men had shot a weapon since basic training. John Gordon paid his Japanese secretary at Rand to translate the relevant portions of the Japanese Official History concerning the campaign. Tim
So are you saying ...Although the designers of the module have decided to make their infantry 447s, I think that a 347 might be more accurate. John Gordon gave an example in the book of a squad size unit failing to eliminate a Japanese unit in a beached landing craft despite shooting at them for hours. until a medium machine was brought to bear. These two naval unit's leaders should be superior to most units in contrast. Tim
One small note: NO ONE is a Medal of Honor winner! It is not an honor that can be awarded for a specific action or set of actions and is NOT a prize to be pursued! One is a Medal of Honor recipient, an honor bestowed upon them by their comrades and approved by higher authority on behalf of the President of the United States as Commander in Chief. Often misnamed the Congressional Medal of Honor, it has nothing to do with Congressional approval except that they voted on the parameters that established the award. It may seem like a small matter, but to those of us that know it's a big deal! You can be forgiven for a common misconception and oft misused terminology to this point, but it is advisable (especially with those you play ASL with) that you become aware of the depth of feeling about the matter.I think that the China Marines were superior to the other Marines in the Pacific because of their experiences in China. The crews of the American gunboats may have been even better. Many were 15 to 20 year veterans, having fought small squad unit actions up and down their riverine base of operations. Steve McQueen character was quite representative of their combat ability. Fighting for decades Chinese bandits, Chinese Warlords, and Communists, they were among the best fighting men in the world. These two odd naval unit produced more American Medal of Honor winners than any other unit in WW2. And the medal winners were the officers and noncoms not the sailors. And because they were supplied by the Navy instead of the Army they were better feed than most American units there. The U.S. Navy started shipping supplies just as soon as the Japanese invaded. Unlike their Army counterparts. I told you people to read John Gordon book on these two units. Tim
A few important observations on your commentary (aside from the others already noted by others):The official Japanese history of WW2 is ten volumes long. It has been never translated. Heretofore, lack of interest by American historians. Few of whom read Japanese. John Gordon should be praised for using this important primary source through translation. He is a retired American officer from the American Army. His book on the Phillipine campaign is well written and researched. He started interviewing American veterans of the campaign in the 1970s. Tim
What have you been smoking?I think that the China Marines were superior to the other Marines in the Pacific because of their experiences in China.
These two odd naval unit produced more American Medal of Honor winners than any other unit in WW2. And the medal winners were the officers and noncoms not the sailors.