CTKnudsen
Senior Member
A MMC passes a PAATC and advances into a Location with a stopped AFV (A11.6). CCV results in no damage/casualties to either side. A melee counter is placed on the MMC (A11.7). In the following MPh, the AFV expends a MP to start, upon which the melee counter is removed (A11.7) and the MMC declares CCRF as DFF (D7.21). D7.21 states that CCRF requires a PAATC. However, A11.6 states that once a MMC is "in the same location with an enemy AFV in the CCPh, no further PAATC is necessary to attack it during CC." But it is unclear whether this applies to CC attacks outside the CCPh. The second-to-last paragraph of the Comprehensive Close Combat Example does not mention a PAATC for the situation, but neither does it specifically explain that one is not required.
A11.6-.7, D7.21
1. Assuming a passed PAATC in the previous APh, does a MMC need to pass a (second) PAATC in order to make a Defensive Fire CCRF attack against an AFV expending start or other MP in the Location in which it started it's MPh?
1. Yes.
1a. If yes, would it still have to do so if the AFV Stalled?
1a. Yes.
1b. If no, would it have to do so if the AFV left the location and then returned to the MMC's Location?
1b. NA
2. In the above situation, if the AFV failed a Mechanical Reliability DR and Immobilized (D2.51), or if the vehicle were Immobilized in the preceding CCPh, would the MMC be able to make a Defensive Fire CCRF attack (despite still being held in melee (A11.7)) as the AFV expended MP "for non-movement purposes" under the provisions of D8.5?
2a. If yes, would that require a (second) PAATC?
2. Infantry in Melee cannot attack an already-Immobilized AFV just because it is spending MP in the Melee Location. An AFV that fails a Mechanical Reliability DR no longer holds Infantry in Melee (just like one that Stalls) and can be attacked after a PAATC is passed.
....Perry
MMP
A11.6-.7, D7.21
1. Assuming a passed PAATC in the previous APh, does a MMC need to pass a (second) PAATC in order to make a Defensive Fire CCRF attack against an AFV expending start or other MP in the Location in which it started it's MPh?
1. Yes.
1a. If yes, would it still have to do so if the AFV Stalled?
1a. Yes.
1b. If no, would it have to do so if the AFV left the location and then returned to the MMC's Location?
1b. NA
2. In the above situation, if the AFV failed a Mechanical Reliability DR and Immobilized (D2.51), or if the vehicle were Immobilized in the preceding CCPh, would the MMC be able to make a Defensive Fire CCRF attack (despite still being held in melee (A11.7)) as the AFV expended MP "for non-movement purposes" under the provisions of D8.5?
2a. If yes, would that require a (second) PAATC?
2. Infantry in Melee cannot attack an already-Immobilized AFV just because it is spending MP in the Melee Location. An AFV that fails a Mechanical Reliability DR no longer holds Infantry in Melee (just like one that Stalls) and can be attacked after a PAATC is passed.
....Perry
MMP