OT AFV treated as unarmoured

[FlatPackFred]

Struggling to make sense of D5.311: "If an OT AFV's crew would receive a CE DRM reduced by Elevation-Effects/Air Bursts to < its normal CE DRM, that AFV is instead treated as unarmoured ...".

What I don't understand is when this wouldn't apply if an attack has Elevation Effects/Air Burst. In other words why not just delete the "to < its normal CE DRM", to give: "If an OT AFV's crew would receive a CE DRM reduced by Elevation-Effects/Air Bursts, that AFV is instead treated as unarmoured .." ?

Hope my post makes sense

 

[Robin Reeve]

The wording of the rule seems redundant indeed.
But it doesn't harm the meaning.

 

[FlatPackFred]

OK my interpretation of that bit of D5.311 is therefore that if an attack on an OT AFV has Elevation-Effect or Airburst then the attack is resolved as an attack against an Unarmoured Vehicle - and the collateral attack against crew and passengers will receive a reduced CE DRM (D5.31)

 

[Stewart]

OK my interpretation of that bit of D5.311 is therefore that if an attack on an OT AFV has Elevation-Effect or Airburst then the attack is resolved as an attack against an Unarmoured Vehicle - and the collateral attack against crew and passengers will receive a reduced CE DRM (D5.31)

If the AFV is treated as Unarmored, why would the PRC get any DRM?

 

[Doug Leslie]

If the AFV is treated as Unarmored, why would the PRC get any DRM?

Because D5.311 says so?

"If an OT AFV's crew would receive a CE DRM reduced by Elevation-Effects/Air-Bursts to < its normal CE DRM, that AFV is instead treated as unarmored and the attack vs it—but not vs its PRC—is resolved (with no Air Burst TEM) either as per A7.308 (for non-ordnance/Indirect-Fire-HE) or on the proper TK Table using the pertinent Unarmored Vehicle TK#."

It should also be noted that the PRC of an OT AFV that receives a reduced CE modifier undergo a morale check from an attack that does not destroy the vehicle ie the crew are not susceptible to stun results. If they fail the morale check, they have to stop and abandon the vehicle.

 

[FlatPackFred]

Because D5.311 says so?

"If an OT AFV's crew would receive a CE DRM reduced by Elevation-Effects/Air-Bursts to < its normal CE DRM, that AFV is instead treated as unarmored and the attack vs it—but not vs its PRC—is resolved (with no Air Burst TEM) either as per A7.308 (for non-ordnance/Indirect-Fire-HE) or on the proper TK Table using the pertinent Unarmored Vehicle TK#."

It should also be noted that the PRC of an OT AFV that receives a reduced CE modifier undergo a morale check from an attack that does not destroy the vehicle ie the crew are not susceptible to stun results. If they fail the morale check, they have to stop and abandon the vehicle.

Please can you provide me with the rule reference for requirement for the MC from an attack that does not destroy the vehicle?

 

[Eagle4ty]

Please can you provide me with the rule reference for requirement for the MC from an attack that does not destroy the vehicle?

D.8B GENERAL: (Collateral Attack).

 

[FlatPackFred]

D.8B GENERAL: (Collateral Attack).

Brilliant - thank you. The more I look into the rules the more I realise how much I don't know!

 

[Old Noob]

It's always best to admit that no one can remember everything out of the ASLRB.

 

[Doug Leslie]

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It's always best to admit that no one can remember everything out of the ASLRB.

Apart from Klas of course.

 

[Doug Leslie]

Please can you provide me with the rule reference for requirement for the MC from an attack that does not destroy the vehicle?

It is contained in D5.311-

"5.311 UNPROTECTED CREWS: The Inherent crew (as well as each Passenger) of a vehicle receiving fire (including Fire Lane Residual FP) [EXC: Sniper attack] through an unarmored Target Facing/Aspect (C3.9; including any OT AFV receiving either Air Bursts or fire from a higher elevation whose elevation advantage is > the range [5.31])—and, vs mines, the PRC of any AFV with a hull AF of 0 [B28.43]) is Vulnerable even if BU, and receives no (or a reduced; 5.31) CE DRM. Consequently the crew is not susceptible to Stun/Recall from such an attack; it is instead subject to PTC/MC/K/KIA results. "

 

[bendizoid]

It is contained in D5.311-

"5.311 UNPROTECTED CREWS: The Inherent crew (as well as each Passenger) of a vehicle receiving fire (including Fire Lane Residual FP) [EXC: Sniper attack] through an unarmored Target Facing/Aspect (C3.9; including any OT AFV receiving either Air Bursts or fire from a higher elevation whose elevation advantage is > the range [5.31])—and, vs mines, the PRC of any AFV with a hull AF of 0 [B28.43]) is Vulnerable even if BU, and receives no (or a reduced; 5.31) CE DRM. Consequently the crew is not susceptible to Stun/Recall from such an attack; it is instead subject to PTC/MC/K/KIA results. "

This gets interesting with units on upper floors. Would the vehicle be considered a unarmored target and qualify for a ‘star’ vehicle line IFT attack ?

 

[Doug Leslie]

This gets interesting with units on upper floors. Would the vehicle be considered a unarmored target and qualify for a ‘star’ vehicle line IFT attack ?

If it drove past and adjacent to a building with a unit at level 2 or higher, that is indeed what would happen. If it used bypass, a unit at level one could take advantage of the rule. It only applies to OT vehicles though: a CE CT AFV is always treated as an armored target regardless of the elevation of a unit attacking it and appears to be immune to its CE protection being reduced by elevation advantage (but not airbursts).

5.31 CE DRM: A CE counter represents the Vulnerability of an AFV crew to Collateral Attacks. A CE crew is normally entitled to a +2 DRM due to the partial protection afforded by the AFV but some AFV receive (according to their Vehicle Notes) more protection (or less) depending upon the Target-Facing/Aspect (C3.9) through which they are fired on. Non-Fire Lane Residual FP attacks receive the CE DRM that applies to the Side Target Facing. An OT AFV's normal (usually +2) CE DRM can be reduced by Elevation Effects as per 6.61, and by Air Bursts (B13.3); see 5.311. The CE DRM is not cumulative with any positive TEM.

 

[brunger]

It's always best to admit that no one can remember everything out of the ASLRB.

There’s a way out of the ASLRB?? I never new that……

 

[Old Noob]

There is no way out, you just have to navigate through the ASLRB as best as one can (been trying since 1986!).