Orchard-Brush terrain

[Tuomo]

Somehow in my half-conscious musings while drawing something else, I thought about what an Orchard-Brush hex would look like:



And somehow that looks really "right" to me. Have these ever been done on any map?

Rules-wise, they'd play similarly to Light Woods: +2 Hindrance, 1-level LOS obstacle, 2MF for infantry. But they'd be easier for AFVs to move through and they'd go out of season in interesting ways. Seems like an interesting option.

 

[Wayne]

[They exist, too.

In childhood in the dunes of the SW Michigan “fruit belt” I once lived in a subdivision built on the bones of a former orchard (and vineyard). The unbuilt lots were very brushy w/wild sassafras.

Free tree fruit and pulpy grapes galore for days. We kids would chomp on woody pears and bring home paper grocery bags half-filled w/grape clumps from which my dad made wine …

Thanks for the remembrance.]

 

[Vinnie]

I do not like these. The combination of inherent and standard imagery jars. I have no doub they are reasonable though.

 

[Larry]

overgrown orchards or otherwise unmaintained .. we are in a war. Is that the concept that this combo is looking for?

 

[lluis61]

They exist, I've seen them also. And in zones of Europe depopulated of working force could be more common than one could think...

 

[footsteps]

I do not like these. The combination of inherent and standard imagery jars. I have no doub they are reasonable though.

In this combo, I'd make the case that it defaults as "non-inherent" - it all depends on how the Chapter B entry is worded. I've always wanted to try this combo on map designs.

 

[bendizoid]

Somehow in my half-conscious musings while drawing something else, I thought about what an Orchard-Brush hex would look like:

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And somehow that looks really "right" to me. Have these ever been done on any map?

Rules-wise, they'd play similarly to Light Woods: +2 Hindrance, 1-level LOS obstacle, 2MF for infantry. But they'd be easier for AFVs to move through and they'd go out of season in interesting ways. Seems like an interesting option.

Best new terrain since debris.

 

[zgrose]

Somehow in my half-conscious musings while drawing something else, I thought about what an Orchard-Brush hex would look like:

And somehow that looks really "right" to me. Have these ever been done on any map?

Rules-wise, they'd play similarly to Light Woods: +2 Hindrance, 1-level LOS obstacle, 2MF for infantry. But they'd be easier for AFVs to move through and they'd go out of season in interesting ways. Seems like an interesting option.

The Orchard circles might need a highlight/border of some kind.

 

[Robin Reeve]

Isn't an orchard woods without brush and brush woods without trees?
Wouldn't orchard-brush terrain be comparable with light woods?

 

[Wayne]

Isn't an orchard woods without brush and brush woods without trees?
Wouldn't orchard-brush terrain be comparable with light woods?

As per the OP, you get some seasonality from the Orchard part of the hybrid.

There'd be Rider affects, too. D6.21.

 

[Eagle4ty]

Isn't an orchard woods without brush and brush woods without trees?
Wouldn't orchard-brush terrain be comparable with light woods?

The only real difference I see would be that Brush is an Inherent terrain feature.

[EDIT] As is Orchard for that matter.

 

[DonWPetros]

Like it - but what would MMP say?

 

[zgrose]

Like it - but what would MMP say?

Send us the files?

 

[Wayne]

The only real difference I see would be that Brush is an Inherent terrain feature.

I'm not sure it'd need to be.

A ground-level LOS clipping only Orchard of a hypothetical Orchard/Brush hex could be ruled to get only the +1 Orchard hindrance.
One clipping both could be ruled a +2 hindrance.

 

[semenza]

I think the best way to do this is to just make it a new terrain type, call it light woods or whatever is suitable, ( but not orchard brush) and write rules for that new terrain type. Artwork can be different, solves the inherent / not inherent issue, and avoids possible rules conflict / meshing questions entirely.

Would be nice to see some printed boards with new terrain types and also overlays for those new types.

I know that various publishers have done light wood in various ways before. Having an official standard one with actual artwork would be great!

In general I think that Orchard is actually a catch all for areas with sparse trees, not necessarily always actual orchards.

Along these lines I would like to see more designers using SSR for Forest and Pine Woods.

Seth

 

[Wayne]

I know that various publishers have done light wood in various ways before. Having an official standard one with actual artwork would be great!

Already done (save for special artwork). See page B44.

 

[semenza]

^^^ I thought there was some form of light woods in the RB, but looked in the Index and didn't find it.

Seth

 

[Eagle4ty]

^^^ I thought there was some form of light woods in the RB, but looked in the Index and didn't find it.

Seth

Same here but I kind of remembered a scenario in HP that had light woods. I believe that's when it was added to the ASLRB and I don't believe the INDEX has been updated much since that Module was issued.

 

[apbills]

hm... My index has it.

 

[Tuomo]

Like it - but what would MMP say?

They'd probably like it better than my Graveyard-Marsh concept. Still fine- tuning that one.