Operation : Schmidt
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hongkongwargamer
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Why wait, if you asked they
Why wait? If you ask these folks they are really responsive.Thanks!
Waiting if perhaps BFP issues a version with matte maps...
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No creasing issues in VASLThanks!
Waiting if perhaps BFP issues a version with matte maps...
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speaking of which any information in VASL map/extension?No creasing issues in VASL
Perhaps I missed it
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I think it’s available I thought I downloaded somewhere, no?
hongkongwargamer
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You probably got the CH thing by the same name .. they all have the same names ...
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Ah yeah, your right! Sorry about that, went on a downloading frenzy for vasl, and CH is up to its 'antics' again with stuff...
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CH came out with Objective Schmidt 4 years ago. Bounding Fire came out with it this year. So, what antics is CH up to?
Sorry Roger, nothing new to report. The elf working on it has gone MIA. I’m hoping everything is okay.
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A Rat will always be a Rat...
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Yeah but Objective Schmidt was in playtest longer then 4 years ago, we were play testing it back in 2013 and 2014.
But you just wait for the new CH Mud boards to go with the "Winter" boards and the new (sort of, sometimes) Geo boards, and then wait you can also get the 1" boards, and I am thinking by mid March some new nifty 3" Deluxues Hexes Maps with Winter on one side and Summer on the other (sometimes they may line up but heck thats just a lucky guess) but if you pre-order all this now for $3,995.95 they will throw in a bonus set of scenarios that got "found" ("lost") or "cookedup" real quick like (with typos and missing text too boot), plus you can deplete your three childs college fun for "Nationality Sets" 2.0 next spring!
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And then by the time they think you forgot about it, they will rename and "update" a scenario pack to 3.5 or 4.0, with more "Bonus" goodies, and some nifty (mostly useless) counters to go with the Platoon Leader 5.5 rules (4.0 and 5.0 were just reformated you know, and they left in the typos and errors, but you got some bonus CG to go with em, no they were not play tested, that is for you to do). And don't forgot the new and revamped, renamed, updated (in text version) scenairo....you get the idea, just rinse and repeat this every odd year...
hongkongwargamer
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My goodness! The CH crew managed to playtest that quickly? Wow ..
von Marwitz
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CH is notorious for being able to optimize the time-requirements for playtesting before publication.
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Whiskers1123
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I look at it differently then you. I'm glad he puts out new versions of things. I can get updated packs that I didn't have before if I can afford it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's as simple as that. This is how the guy makes a living. LCP and BFP just put out updates of some of the packs they did but I didn't see any of this crap from you about them. It's the old Socialist Idea that if you repeat stories long enough to the people they will start to believe them. Fake News!
hongkongwargamer
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Why proofread when they will buy it based on looks? Why playtest when they will buy it THEN playtest for you?
He does amaze me though - Just goes to say how much you can step all over your customers (and your designers) and still have a core group of folks who'd staunchly defend you - or rather, defend their embarrassment at having paid for the stuff (one reason why they take it very personal).
Then again, the "Fake News" exclaimation reminds me that it's a prevailing business model.
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There is a very important difference about the business model of BFP and LCP compared to CH with regard to updated or republished products, though:
BFP and LCP are very transparent about what is a republication and in case of updates, what exactly the changes made are. MMP even states on updated or republished scenarios on the scenario card "Previously published as ..." or "Updated version of ..."
CH has been time and again and often purposely intransparent about it. They have simply renamed scenarios without any other changes so that they appear to be new ones. It is very often extremely difficult to find out what the difference is between a former and a new version of a CH product even if looking at the CH website, the original product description etc. Basically, you are dependent on people that happen to own both versions, comparing them and making known the differences - if any.
It is obvious that CH's business model does present numerous pitfalls for credulous customers or those not really deeply involved into CH stuff or not knowing the places to find information that CH should provide itself.
Crying out 'Fake News' is merely two words, arbitrary, and easy.
There is a saying:
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
I am sorry for having to state that your 'Fake News' falls into this exact category.
For those that are yet unfamiliar with CH, I can only advise them to take the time to review the countless threads available in this forum along with detailed descriptions what CH customers have experienced about the products they bought, product quality, playtesting, errata, etc. See for yourself and form the picture yourself. Then judge for yourself if 'Fake News' is right or the others. Of course this is not easy and takes some effort. But it saves good money and annoyance in my opinion.
If people still want to buy CH stuff, that's all fine with me.
I for one have taken the time to gather the information and to find out by having some real products at hand the issues that I have described. My personal conclusion is to generally opt out when it comes to CH, to never ever buy anything at an original price, to always let others buy CH stuff first and let them test the stuff to find out if it belongs to the few gems some designers for CH are capable of or to the heap of half baked stuff that forms the rest.
My personal experience has shown me, that these precautions are not necessary with TPPs such as BFP.
von Marwitz
CH is getting there, many of their regurgitations seem to have achieved their targets of zero.CH is notorious for being able to optimize the time-requirements for playtesting before publication.
von Marwitz
I bought most of CH's early stuff. Now while those could be a bit hit or miss in terms of quality, those days CH was still good money value, "cheap and cheerful". It was the only TPP that I could get my hands on back in my early ASL days. While I could not definitely say either way, playtesting seemed at least decent on average.
I gave up about 6 or so years ago between the regurgitations, prices and some very dubious, possible plagiarism, practice issues. I heartily concur with Von M's post #298. If you see a subject that really, really interests you then research other's comments and only then buy.
What has just as much contributed to me dropping CH is the availability of alternatives. The output of good quality ASL, whether from MMP or TPP has, I estimate, gone up by a factor of 4 or more since the turn of the century. CH had an advantage around then in that I could only get MMP, HoB and CH and nobody's volume output was great. These days from MMP, BFP, LFT, LCP, SP and FrF I buy more than I can properly handle.
In summary, I can buy from those other TPPs without worrying about quality and still have my "shiny new" itch well and truly scratched.
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von Marwitz
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For the early stuff and many scenario packs of that time, I agree.
The later stuff was more pleasing to the eye - especially maps - but besides that it fell of in most cases except for the few gems sprinkled in.
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