New Tuskegee Movie
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Kevin Kenneally
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Another political attempt to glamorize WAR....
How shocking....
I'll be waiting for this to appear on DVD.
How shocking....
I'll be waiting for this to appear on DVD.
Srynerson
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The trailer looks spectacular. I'm hoping the film is half as good. Unlike Kevin, I'll be watching this in the theater, but then again I played B-17 and Luftwaffe for years too.
Kevin Kenneally
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Blaze
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I don't know about this one. I thought the older Tuskegee Airmen was pert damn good. Why ruin a good thing. Sort of like Pearl Harbor compared to Tora Tora Tora.
Confirmation? There's your Confirmation!
Confirmation? There's your Confirmation!
sunoftzu
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After watching 2 Me-262s being flamed (not to mention numerous other inaccuracies) before the screen read "Based on true events".... I just about fell off my chair laughing...................
Won't bother insulting my intelligence by watching this one.
John.
Won't bother insulting my intelligence by watching this one.
John.
jrv
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Why would shooting down a Me-262 be inaccurate? The Me-262 had a number of flaws that could be exploited. Although the Me-262 was very fast once it got up to speed, it could not accellerate quickly and was very vulnerable at low speed. It was tremendously advanced plane, but it was not flawless.
JR
jrv
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According to this document (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDgQFjAE&url=http://clem.mscd.edu/~christib/wprof/sharedinfo/FieldTripWIA/Tuskegee%20Airmen%20Facts.doc&rct=j&q=me 262 tuskegee&ei=Ii9GTuurNInWgQf37_zFBg&usg=AFQjCNGBsIxMFJ6M2cM3_-BwyoyIyamZag&sig2=fmFngWu8V5uA-p15iaafsw&cad=rja)
"Perhaps the most spectacular mission flown by the 332d was its mission on March 24, 1945, when Davis led the 332d on a 1,600-mile round trip escort mission to Berlin. On that day, the Tuskegee Airmen met numerous Fw-190s and at least 30 of the new German Me 262 jet aircraft. The Tuskegee Airmen shot down three of the jets and damaged another six fighters. One of the Tuskegee Airmen was lost on this mission, but none of the bombers were lost, despite the fact that the Germans threw their latest and fastest fighters at the Americans .
"Prior to March 24, only two jets had been shot down by any Allied airmen, and on that day the third, fourth, and fifth were destroyed by the Tuskegee Airmen."
Can't vouch for its accuracy, but it seems plausible.
JR
sunoftzu
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About 100 Me-262s were lost in air combat. The aircraft was far from invincible, not to mention impossibly outnumbered.
But the idea of 30 262s flying at the same time in 1945? I can only imagine that to be a rare instance, although Wiki cites at least one example of that (different date).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262
The Luftwaffe simply didn't have the fuel to conduct big operations by this time (even by the latter half of 1944, if it comes to that), with the exception being Operation Bodenplatte (which more than a failure, could be said to be the swan song of the WWII Luftwaffe).
Also, Germany had virtually no rare metals, which are quite important components of jet engines. The somewhat unsatisfactory solution to this was to 'spray paint' thin coats of these metals, but this gave the Jumo 004 engines a really low operational life (and no doubt contributed to a number of aircraft losses), again meaning it was really difficult to keep large numbers of of these planes in operation.
I'll meet you half way , and say that there could be some possible accuracy (along with some inaccuracies) in the reference you cite, but as for being 'plausible' ? We might have to agree to disagree there.
Thanks for your input all the same. There are indeed a great many myths surrounding the various German jets, the most noteworthy is the idea that Germany might somehow be in position to put significant numbers of these otherwise excellent aircraft into operational service.
John.
The Tuskegee Airmen http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114745/
Red Tails http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0485985/
Thanks so much!
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Dunno....ME262 was only about 50mph faster than P51 wasn't it ?
Which is a lot....but not enough to make it 'undownable' surely
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Plan to see it tomorrow. A "zoomie" I know said it was pretty good and worth the trip to the theater though it is the huge amount of popcorn you can buy for megabucks that really attract me to theaters these days. In the old days the theaters I visited seemed to smell a lot like lysol
rdw5150
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Ditto! The wife and I have not been to a movie theater since Return of the King. We watch movies lots of times and have tons of DVDs.
Would have to agree.
Lets not hope its as bad as Pearl Harbor though......
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saw it this weekend. we got a big TV but it was cool to see the air battles on the REALLY Big Screen. It is a good story. Not too heavy with the Sentimentality Stick. Snuck in a pop but bought a SMALL six dollar popcorn
Same here. Probably the last for me was No Country For Old Men. Before that... :hmmm: Not sure.
jrv
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It was about 100 mph faster (see maximum speed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262 vs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_P-51_Mustang), which is a world of difference. But it had its flaws. Per wikipedia:
"As with all other early jets, the Me 262's engines did not provide a lot of thrust at low air speeds (a key criterion for good turn performance), and throttle response was slow. Another disadvantage shared by all early jet engines was the relatively high risk of flameout if the throttle was used too aggressively (such as was common in a dogfight). Pilots were therefore instructed to operate the throttle gently and avoid quick changes in setting."
"Furthermore the Me 262 had, by contemporary standards, quite a high wing loading (60.2 lbs/ft2, 294.0 kg/m2) and its turn radius at low speeds was therefore correspondingly wide. This coupled with the slow throttle response and high chance of a flameout, resulted in Me 262 pilots being told to avoid low speed dogfights with the Allied piston engine fighters"
"Allied pilots soon found the only reliable way of dealing with the jets, as with the even faster Me 163 Komet rocket fighters, was to attack them on the ground and during takeoff or landing."
JR