How about these in counter form?
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Kriegsmarine Stukas have folding wings.Critical Hit is including these with their DKM Graf Zeppelin counter set - the map of Stettin is amazing.
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They would have folded them out for flight operations (I would hope)….Kriegsmarine Stukas have folding wings.
Graf Zeppelin, battleships, super guns, monster tanks. Wtf. Talk about being insecure about your masculinity.They would have folded them out for flight operations (I would hope)….
Battle of the Philippine Sea, aka the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot. 15 U.S. carriers and 9 Japanese carriers. That's two carrier forces worth talking about.Graf Zeppelin, battleships, super guns, monster tanks. Wtf. Talk about being insecure about your masculinity.
What good is one aircraft carrier anyway? Just a big target.???
The Allies never did hit it, though. The hull stayed camouflaged in one of the river channels near Stettin til late in the war when she was scuttled.Graf Zeppelin, battleships, super guns, monster tanks. Wtf. Talk about being insecure about your masculinity.
What good is one aircraft carrier anyway? Just a big target.???
20mm anti aircraft guns MartinWhat are they?
As it us, they look very "anti aircraft" and not up to much on the ground role.
How many submarines could they have built with the resources that went into building this thing? Enough to close the North Atlantic?View attachment 15406
I expect the Graf would have mounted some kind of anti-aircraft guns in the mounts visible at flight deck level. Would be an interesting "what if" scenario to have a Russian force attacking a fully-equipped aircraft carrier moored in the Oder. Though in actuality it was just an empty hull.
Enough to kill a few hundred more submariners you mean.....How many submarines could they have built with the resources that went into building this thing? Enough to close the North Atlantic?
Interesting. I have never seen or read about either before.How about these in counter form?
I divided the displacement of the Graf Zeppelin, 33,500 tons, by displacement of the type VII U boat, 757 tons which I rounded up to 760, and came up with a ballpark figure of 44. I have no idea if this is how you would determine how many submarines could have been built instead. Interesting to speculate on though. Would 44 extra U boats been enough to make a strategic difference? Another area of interesting speculation.Enough to kill a few hundred more submariners you mean.....
Early in the war, 44 extra operational Type VII U-boats would have made the hell of a difference.I divided the displacement of the Graf Zeppelin, 33,500 tons, by displacement of the type VII U boat, 757 tons which I rounded up to 760, and came up with a ballpark figure of 44. I have no idea if this is how you would determine how many submarines could have been built instead. Interesting to speculate on though. Would 44 extra U boats been enough to make a strategic difference? Another area of interesting speculation.
German submarine losses were horrific, about 785 boats out of about 1160. The U.S lost 52 boats in the Pacific. While U.S. torpedoes were notoriously unreliable at the beginning of the war U.S. submarines played a major role in crippling the Japanese merchant fleet.Early in the war, 44 extra operational Type VII U-boats would have made the hell of a difference.
At the beginning of WW2, the Germans had 57 U-boats, of which 39 were suited for use in the Atlantic. About one third of the total would usually be on station (and one third moving to/from the area of operations, the last third being in port). So only around 20 U-boats were on station around Great Britain. With 44 extra Type VII boats, this would have been 75% more boats of the most useful type.
The Allies sorely lacked escorts at the time and had not settled into an effective convoy-system yet. Allied detection techniques (radar in particular) yet needed to be improved to become more effective.
Maybe most importantly, the Allies had neither captured nor decrypted the Enigma-machines and code early in the war, which allowed them since 1941 to know exactly where the boats were moving to.
For these reasons, German U-boats were much more effective at the beginning of the war as a weapon. Especially, when in 1940 the French ports were available as bases for sorties directly into the Atlantic.
Just take the time to look at the sunken tonnage by some German subs early in the war and compare it to the numbers by US subs in the Pacific (which were long plagued, admittedly, by awful torpedoes). The Germans had their torpedo issues, too, early in the war, but they were fixed much quicker than those of the US. In effect, the Japanese had the best torpedoes in WW2.
von Marwitz