Media melts down over Trump's alleged 'S-H' comment

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  1. The Doctor

    The Doctor Junk Science Debunker

    Aug 16, 2004
    Houston/Dallas, TX
    What is the purpose of our immigration laws?

    • To provide a place for Third World Schisthole's to dump their most useless people?
    • To bring in people into this country with useful skills from countries that aren't Schistholes?

    The problem with Schisthole countries is that they tend to have very corrupt governments; which makes it all but impossible to adequately screen prospective immigrants.

    The truth is, criminal background information is based on the laws of country in question, as well as the quality of record-keeping and their relationship with the U.S.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...hecks-the-achilles-heel-of-immigration-reform

    Red = Deep Schistholes
    Dark Orange = Shallow Schistholes

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    Haiti is one of the deepest Schistholes on Earth...

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    Regarding the Schistholes of the world...
    January 11, 2018, 10:05 am

    A quote attributed to President Trump horrifies our snowflake intellectuals, but accurately reflects the sentiments of much of America.

    Thursday saw a media firestorm erupt over a Washington Post report that amid a White House meeting with several members of Congress working on a compromise having to do with the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA, President Trump asked why America should have to take in so many immigrants from “s***hole countries” rather than people from places like Norway.

    The Post article isn’t exactly the finest example of American journalism, identifying as its source no one actually in the room to confirm what Trump supposedly said but instead naming two anonymous people who were “briefed on the meeting.”

    Those anonymous second-hand sources claimed that the offending statement came amid a discussion over a proposal to eliminate the diversity visa lottery program and use the 50,000 visas per year tied up in it to offer protection to “vulnerable populations” living in the United States under Temporary Protected Status. Trump became irritated at this, according to the Post, and asked about Haitians, and when the conversation turned to Africa Trump supposedly said, “Why are we having all these people from s***hole countries come here?” and suggested that maybe instead America should be taking in more people from Norway — whose prime minister visited the White House the day before.

    [...]

    Is there any question Haiti is a s***hole? Who’s offended by that? If it wasn’t a s***hole it wouldn’t be one of the most prominent recipients of American charity aid on Planet Earth. And it isn’t like this country has ignored Haiti — we’ve been trying to lift it out of s***hole status for more than a century, with absolutely no result whatever.

    [...]

    There is no poorer country in the Western Hemisphere than Haiti, though given time Communist Venezuela might well change that.

    And no, it’s not racist to note Haiti is a s***hole.

    [...]
    https://spectator.org/importing-the-s-hole/

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    https://www.vox.com/a/borders/haiti-dominican-republic

    Haitian Deforestation

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    The border between Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Haiti is to the left and the Dominican Republic is the greener area to the right.

    Back to the TAS article about Schistholes...

    And yes, El Salvador is also a s***hole. When your country has the world’s highest murder rate, you qualify for s***hole status. Let’s remember that it was the dogged determination of the Reagan administration, by use of American treasure and a bit of blood as well, which kept El Salvador from becoming a Communist s***hole rather than an ordinary one — an effort which has resulted in little thanks from anyone and more than a little opprobrium from the cultural Left at the time and since.

    How about Somalia? Who’s up for more mass immigration from Somalia? Is there any argument Somalia is a s***hole, or do we need a national screening of Black Hawk Down to remind us what that country is like? If you’d like a more recent depiction of what Somalia has to offer the world we could all watch Captain Phillips, the 2013 Tom Hanks vehicle about the true story of the Maersk Alabama, set upon by one of the multitudinous hordes of pirates — yes, actual pirates — sloughing off from Somali shores in search of fat from international commerce. Somalia is such a s***hole that its stench infects nearby countries like Kenya — viz., the Westgate Shopping Mall attack in Nairobi in 2013 — and Uganda, where Al-Shabaab, Somalia’s home-grown jihadist terror group, set off a series of bombs in the capital of Kampala to slaughter 76 people as they watched the 2010 World Cup soccer final.

    What has America derived from mass immigration from Somalia? Machete attacks on street corners in Columbus and mall stabbings in suburban Minneapolis.

    [...]

    The open-borders crowd doesn’t want to talk about that, though, and it wants to call you racist if you’re opposed to a deluge of immigrants from the worst places on earth. That’s why Trump’s “s***holes” objection is big news rather than the fact there are so-called political leaders who can’t agree to reorient our immigration policy toward taking people who can successfully assimilate here.

    Between the two, the crude man who tells the truth and looks out for his own citizens is preferable to the genteel man who sells us out for cheap labor or ballot-box fuel for a political machine. If Trump is the former, so be it.​
    https://spectator.org/importing-the-s-hole/

    Speaking of schist... Little Dick Durbin... Dumber than schist...
    Friday, Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL) backed up a Washington Post report claiming President Donald Trump referred to certain nations as “shithole countries” in a bipartisan meeting Trump held with members of Congress on immigration policy.

    Durbin’s remarks were made to reporters and captured by MSNBC’s camera.

    Durbin also criticized Trump for his use of the term “chain migration” because according to the Senate Minority Whip, it was offensive to African-Americans that “migrated” to the United States chains.

    Partial transcript as follows:

    In the course of his comments of said things which were hate-filled, vile and racist — he used those words. I understand how powerful they are. But I cannot believe that in the history of the White House, in that Oval Office, any president has ever spoken words that I personally heard our president speak yesterday.

    [...]

    Then he went on and started to describe the immigration from Africa that was being protected in this bipartisan measure. That’s when he used these vile and vulgar comments, calling the nations they come from “shitholes,” The exact word used by the president — not just once but repeatedly.

    That was the nature of this conversation. When it came to the issue of, quote, “chain migration,” I said to the president, do you realize how painful that term is to so many people? African-Americans believe they migrated to America in chains and when you talk about chain migration, it hurts them personally.

    [...]


    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018...ainful-african-americans-migrated-u-s-chains/

    Is the piece of schist really that stupid?
     
  2. JimWhite

    JimWhite Active Member Silver Supporting Member

    Feb 4, 2003
    Newark, Delaware
    So are liberals saying that there are no shithole countries? Or that we just shouldn't call them that?

    If it's the former...well then I guess liberals can no longer use the excuse that we shouldn't send illegals back to their own shithole countries since said shithole countries obviously do not exist.

    If it's the latter...well feelings and all that.

    BTW...how can calling a country a shithole be racist?

    North Korea...shithole.

    South Korea...not a shithole.

    Same race.
     
  3. Dave68124

    Dave68124 Active Member

    May 9, 2005
    United States
    Said it or not - I don't know, but the fact it is getting so much traction it appears it is something that everyone can see him saying which is problematic in and of itself.

    However, you can make the point with facts without going out of your way to antagonize people while sitting in the Oval Office. One thing to call a country a shithole, and been to a few myself, but this is the internet and I am not the President of the United States which is supposed to be the leader of the Free World and not the leader of the Free World unless you come from a shithole country.

    The man needs a fucking muzzle and some potty training. Leaders are to reduce drama, not purposefully create it, and lift up people with vision and hope not tear down others. Trump continually makes my worst fears of him being President come true on a daily basis.
     
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  4. Jazz

    Jazz Inactive Staff Member Moderator

    Feb 3, 2003
    ...and nobody is talking about the Fusion GPS testimony any more.....mission accomplished, or so one might think.

    Anybody who is shocked or surprised at the crap that comes out of his mouth has not been paying attention.
     
  5. The Doctor

    The Doctor Junk Science Debunker

    Aug 16, 2004
    Houston/Dallas, TX
    There was nothing to talk about.

    A search of the PDF for the word "collusion" yielded zero-point-zero results...

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    "Collude" and "colluded" also yielded zero-point-zero results.

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    CBS NEWS January 9, 2018, 8:50 PM
    Did someone die because of the Steele dossier?

    An attorney for the co-founder of the opposition research firm that sought to dig up dirt on President Trump says someone has died as a result of their findings.
    On Monday, Sen. Dianne Feinstein released a 312-page transcript of Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson's August interview with the Senate Judiciary Committee. In that transcript, Simpson attorney Josh Levy tells the committee that his client "wants to be very careful to protect his sources."
    "Somebody's already been killed as a result of the publication of this dossier and no harm should come to anybody related to this honest work," Levy explains.
    The dossier, which alleges that then-candidate Donald Trump colluded with the Russian government during the 2016 election campaign, has never been substantiated. It was written by a former British spy, Christopher Steele, and paid for by Fusion GPS, which was operating as a client of the Clinton campaign.

    [...]

    t has been speculated that Oleg Erovinkin, a former KGB general and chief of staff to Igor Sechin, was one of the primary sources for the document.

    [...]

    Conspiracy theorists have long speculated that Erovinkin is the source of the claims involving Sechin. However, there is no evidence that has emerged to back up this assertion. Erovinkin is one of a number of high-profile Russians who died in the months after the 2016 election.
    Mr. Trump has repeatedly dismissed the Steele memo as "fake news." Neither Levy nor his client elaborated on the identity of the person who allegedly died as a result of the memo's publication, which took place after Erovinkin died.

    [...]


    CBS News


    Who is the Trump-linked source who led the FBI to treat the dossier seriously?

    [...]

    On Tuesday, those tracking the details of the Russia investigation were handed an unexpected collection of information: a lightly redacted transcript of Simpson’s testimony, released by the office of Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.). Over the course of more than 300 pages, Simpson fields a number of questions about his firm’s work and the revelations contained in that dossier

    [...]

    Asked if he knew who that source was, Simpson declined to answer, though he did explain a bit more about what Steele told him. (Note that this is Simpson conveying what Steele says he was told by his FBI source in Rome.)

    ” . . . I think it was a voluntary source, someone who was concerned about the same concerns we had,” Simpson explained. “It was someone like us who decided to pick up the phone and report something.”

    In short, it’s not clear from this testimony who the “human source” from inside the Trump organization is — or even what Simpson means by “Trump organization.”

    [...]

    Why didn’t Simpson simply share the identity of the source with the Senate? He explained that it was for “security” reasons.

    “I was really careful throughout this process to not ask a lot of specific sourcing questions,” he testified. “There are some things I know that I just don’t feel comfortable sharing because obviously it’s been in the news a lot lately that people who get in the way of the Russians tend to get hurt.”

    At another point in the testimony, Simpson’s lawyers put a fine point on that argument, stating that “somebody’s already been killed as a result of the publication of this dossier.”

    Who that person is isn’t clear.

    Washington Post
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    In real news...

    A federal judge ruled Thursday that the Washington-based firm Fusion GPS cannot block the House Intelligence Committee from subpoenaing the firm's financial records, according to court documents.

    Court records obtained by BuzzFeed News show that U.S. District Court Judge Richard Leon denied Fusion GPS's request for an injunction on the grounds that such a disclosure to Congress would violate the firm's First Amendment rights.

    "Because I find all of Fusion's objections to the subpoena to be unavailing" the motion was denied, wrote Leon, an appointee of former President George W. Bush.

    The Hill
    Devon Nunes is going to crack Glenn Simpson like an egg.
     
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  6. JimWhite

    JimWhite Active Member Silver Supporting Member

    Feb 4, 2003
    Newark, Delaware
    The media is already starting to walk it back...
     
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  7. Jazz

    Jazz Inactive Staff Member Moderator

    Feb 3, 2003
    Of course he will.....
     
  8. The Doctor

    The Doctor Junk Science Debunker

    Aug 16, 2004
    Houston/Dallas, TX
    Too fracking funny!
    Asian Media Gets Its Hands Dirty Trying To Translate Trump
    RYAN PICKRELL
    China/Asia Pacific Reporter
    8:39 AM 01/12/2018

    Asian media has apparently had a rough time trying to figure out exactly how to translate President Donald Trump’s recent comment about “shithole countries.”

    [...]

    The Japanese media outlet NHK decided to go with “filthy countries, but the newswire Jiji Press went with “countries like toilets,” according to Channel News Asia. The Sankei Shimbun took a similar approach and translated the president’s comment as “countries as dirty as outdoor toilets.”

    South Korea’s Yonhap News Agency ended up calling the countries “beggar’s dens.” Another South Korean outlet followed suit but decided to write the English word out.

    Taiwan’s CNA reportedly translated it as “countries where birds don’t lay eggs,” and mainland China thought “rotten countries” was better than the colloquial “places where not even the birds will poop.”

    Vietnam did the same, going with “rotten countries,” as well as “dirty” and “rubbish countries.”

    The Philippines, which has a president famous for his bombastic and foul-mouthed rhetoric characterized by the use of a variety of curse words, appeared to have no problem translating Trump’s language, translating it directly as “shithole.”​
    http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/12/asian-media-gets-its-hands-dirty-trying-to-translate-trump/
     
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  9. Jazz

    Jazz Inactive Staff Member Moderator

    Feb 3, 2003
    You need to get laid Doc.....really.....
     
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  10. The Doctor

    The Doctor Junk Science Debunker

    Aug 16, 2004
    Houston/Dallas, TX
    They'll just move on to the next insensitive thing he says. They're snowflakes, that's what they do.
    Jaded Democrats agreed that the controversy would pass — and suggested that large portions of the Trump base would hardly find anything offensive about the “shithole” remark.

    “Like countless other eruptions over the course of the last two years, it will come and go, only to be supplanted by the next controversy,” said David Axelrod, a former top adviser to President Barack Obama. “I have no doubt that there are many in the president’s base who will not read his words as offensive or racist but rather as sensible.”

    Some White House aides and outside advisers who have been working with Trump for the past two years have also become indifferent to the bumps along the way. “We have had 18 million of these, and nothing came of it other than he won,” shrugged one Republican operative. “They can add up, and that becomes a risk, but on its own, and I don’t know that it’s a good thing for our country, but a lot of people kind of agree with what he said.”

    A Republican strategist who serves as an outside adviser to the White House also waved off the whole controversy — and embraced the substance of the president’s argument about immigration to the U.S. “It’s not racist,” the strategist said. “There’s a reason why they all want to come here — these places are shitholes. If they were great and we were a shithole, we would want to go there. Trump says something stupid, two camps erupt, rinse and repeat.”
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/12/trump-shithole-comment-aides-react-337961

    Only the snowflakes will be talking about shitholes, Russia, #Me Too and all that other crap after a few more quarters of this...
    Latest forecast: 3.3 percent — January 12, 2018

    The GDPNow model forecast for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the fourth quarter of 2017 is 3.3 percent on January 12, up from 2.8 percent on January 10. The forecast of fourth-quarter real consumer spending growth increased from 3.0 percent to 3.8 percent after this morning's retail sales report from the U.S. Census Bureau and this morning's Consumer Price Index release from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
    https://www.frbatlanta.org/cqer/research/gdpnow.aspx

    The first full 4 quarters of the Trump administration are on track toward >3% growth, and that's before the tax cut starts taking effect.

    "The New York Fed Staff Nowcast stands at 3.9% for 2017:Q4 and 3.2% for 2018:Q1," the Federal Reserve Bank of New York announced on Friday.
    https://www.fxstreet.com/news/ny-feds-gdp-nowcast-stands-at-39-for-q4-of-2017-201801121654
     
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  11. Martin Mayers

    Martin Mayers Well-Known Member

    Jul 29, 2008
    Manchester
    I don't think I've ever agreed with you more.

    He's the POTUS for fuck's sake. I'd expect to hear and see it from that fucking nut job from the Philipines or some despotic twat from Colombia or Mexico. But (hey, maybe it's my naivety) he's like, the President.
     
  12. JimWhite

    JimWhite Active Member Silver Supporting Member

    Feb 4, 2003
    Newark, Delaware
    Ok...now I'm concerned...

    UN Shithole.jpg

    Oh wait...I still don't care.
     
  13. Martin Mayers

    Martin Mayers Well-Known Member

    Jul 29, 2008
    Manchester
    I don't see 'racism'. Just crass. It's not like those guys in Haiti need the US President to stick the fucking boot in is it ?
     
  14. zgrose

    zgrose Active Member

    Jun 13, 2004
    Pinole, CA
    It’s the pattern of comments that move the needle from rude to racist. Any single comment taken out of context doesn’t often tell enough of the story.
     
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  15. MrP

    MrP Smile,you won didn't you?

    Feb 17, 2003
    Woof? Bark? Whine?
    Same sentiment here. He's the fucking president - he'd be all up in arms if another world leader talked like that about 'Murica.
     
  16. Martin Mayers

    Martin Mayers Well-Known Member

    Jul 29, 2008
    Manchester
    Glennbo posted this link on Facebook recently. Have to admit I thought the Trump comments HAD been corroborated and I was surprised that it seems they have not (I rely on the BBC for news which can be dangerous).

    I try to be objective and agree a lot with what this guy says actually. Definitely with his comments on why what was said (allegedly and uncorroborated) was not racist.

    And found it very thought provoking....

     
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  17. TopT

    TopT Active Member

    May 2, 2004
    Pa
    The quote has been confirmed. Senator's Durbin & Graham have confirmed that the statements were made. Albeit Sen, Graham's comments were relayed through Senator Scott.

    Senator Tim Cotton did not say the comments were not made but that he did not recall. This is the same Senator that is in line to become the Trump's next CIA Director. he is not about to cut his own throat.
     
  18. Martin Mayers

    Martin Mayers Well-Known Member

    Jul 29, 2008
    Manchester
    Fair enough, although I'm not sure there is a single politician other than Jeremy Corbyn on this planet that I trust to speak to truth
     
  19. Dr Zaius

    Dr Zaius Chief Defender of the Faith Staff Member Administrator Moderator

    Personally, I don't see the problem. This comment, if it was made at all, was uttered during a private meeting about the thorny issue of immigration was being discussed.

    Of Crudeness and Truth

    Yeah. This ^
     
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