LOS thread says yes but eyes say no....

[Oberst Hausser]

Here is a LOS drawn with the LOS thread...

Even on normal view one can see a small portion of the building on the other side of the thread, agreed?

YET LOS is apparently OK. What is one supposed to do with this ?

I'm also a little dubious of some of the level threads where different size buildings are part of the thread.

So what is one to do ??

Thank you

 

[zgrose]

Seems like you're close to entering the shadow/building debate.

>So what is one to do ??

Ask your opponent what they think and if you two don't agree. Apply A6.1 ".... If players still cannot agree whether a LOS is blocked or not, the matter is resolved by a dr: 1-3 LOS is not blocked; 4-6 it is blocked. "

(Personally, I think the LOS thread is not hitting the outline of the building)

 

[bendizoid]

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Here is a LOS drawn with the LOS thread...

Even on normal view one can see a small portion of the building on the other side of the thread, agreed?

YET LOS is apparently OK. What is one supposed to do with this ?

I'm also a little dubious of some of the level threads where different size buildings are part of the thread.

So what is one to do ??

Thank you

It’s building shadow like Zgrose said. The map buildings are made with small cardboard cutouts that rise a mm or so, a light is placed slightly off center to create a sorta 3D effect. Notice ALL the buildings have the same kinda shadow in the same direction.

The shadows should be on the north side of the buildings for European battles, lol.

LOS is not blocked

Side note: Notice how the LOS crosses perfectly mid hexside at the exact center of the LOS, just like it reduces to on ALL hex center LOSs. Use this to approximate the LOS from the center to both endpoints instead of endpoint to endpoint. It sure helps to break up close LOSs into smaller chunks.

 

[EJ1]

Ha,

“Seems like most scenarios occur at about 10:00-11:00 am or 1:00-2:00 pm.”

My OCD kicks in and I can’t play some southernly scenarios that happened at times of the year when the shaddows would have extended south and the boards are thus misoriented. Well, not quite true, I’ve made some progress; yet, I still cannot enter locations (e.g. buildings) where the shadows are wrong. Please don't tell my opponents.

Just sayin’.

 

[ScottRomanowski]

Personally, while they look nice, I hate the shadows. There have been times when neither I nor my opponent have been able to decide if this thing on the physical board is part of the building or not.

 

[Stewart]

likley shadow...I don't pay attention to the LOS BLOCKED result..as it will show up blocked from A-B but not from B-A sometimes.

 

[Robin Reeve]

I don't give the LOS tool a lot of credit.
I use it to see the "string", but my eyes and my understanding of the rules have priority on the LOS tool.
Relying too heavily on the LOS tool doesn't help integrate the rules better : when brought to play FtF, someone who lets the LOS tool do all the job will be at a loss, if they face an even moderately complex LOS evaluation.
In this case, I would say LOS is blocked, as a part of the building depiction shows beyond the string.

 

[Doug Leslie]

It’s been discussed before in this thread.

http://www.gamesquad.com/forums/index.php?threads/how-do-you-treat-the-shadows-that-are-drawn-around-building-artwork.162978/

What I take from this is that “shadows” are probably not intended to block LOS but this is “ semi-official” as opposed to “official”.

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2353267/building-shadow-artwork-los

 

[Doug Leslie]

I don't give the LOS tool a lot of credit.
I use it to see the "string", but my eyes and my understanding of the rules have priority on the LOS tool.
Relying too heavily on the LOS tool doesn't help integrate the rules better : when brought to play FtF, someone who lets the LOS tool do all the job will be at a loss, if they face an even moderately complex LOS evaluation.
In this case, I would say LOS is blocked, as a part of the building depiction shows beyond the string.

And therein lies the rub. To my (admittedly weakening) eyes, there is a thin shadow depiction at the top and left hand side of the building and this is what the LOS tool is confirming when it says that LOS is clear.

 

[Robin Reeve]

And therein lies the rub. To my (admittedly weakening) eyes, there is a thin shadow depiction at the top and left hand side of the building and this is what the LOS tool is confirming when it says that LOS is clear.

I see your point.
It makes sense.