LLMC & LLTC Questions

[jfardette]

LLMC - Do units take an LLMC when a leader is eliminated for failure to rout? It seems they should, according to A10.2, even though the leader did not die from an attack.

LLTC - Does a leader who voluntarily breaks (to accompany routing units when pinned, for example) cause other units in the hex to take a LLTC? A10.41

 

[jrv]

There are a couple of Q&A that I think answer your questions:

A10.2 & A10.5 No quarter is in effect. A broken leader and an unbroken squad (with ML less than the leader) are stacked together in a location. Adjacent armed unbroken enemy units are present so the leader is forced to rout, but it has no legal rout path, and therefore is eliminated. A10.2 is clear that this forces an immediate LLMC on the squad. If the squad breaks as a result of this LLMC, is it immediately forced to rout (and therefore, be eliminated) in that same RtPh?
A. Yes. [Letter198]
A10.2 & A10.711 1) A leader voluntarily routs with a broken squad and is eliminated when the broken squad fails an Interdiction MC. If other (non-routing) units occupy the Interdiction hex, are they subject to LLMC?
A. No.
2) Must the just-reduced HS take an LLMC (assuming its morale is low enough)?
A. Yes.
3) Is the situation any different if the leader is broken and routing and dies due to Interdiction in a hex occupied by a non-routing unit?
A. No. [Letter212]

JR

 

[jfardette]

Except for the voluntary break, yes. Would lower morale infantry in the same hex as the leader which breaks voluntarily in order to rout undergo LLTC? Was he considered routing at the time, and therefore non-routing units would be unaffected, or would it be considered that he had not yet started to rout and they would be affected?

 

[jrv]

I would say that other units must take the LLTC when a leader voluntarily breaks. Per the ASOP voluntary break happens before the conduct of rout. It is worthy of a Q&A because of the use of the term "attack" in A10.2.

JR

 

[klasmalmstrom]

I would say that other units must take the LLTC when a leader voluntarily breaks. Per the ASOP voluntary break happens before the conduct of rout. It is worthy of a Q&A because of the use of the term "attack" in A10.2.

But A10.2 also says "(if any)" after "attack" - "after resolution of that attack (if any).."

 

[jfardette]

We played it right, then. The leader broke and routed away, the stay behind good order infantry was dismayed by the flight of their stalwart leader and promptly pinned.

 

[jrv]

But A10.2 also says "(if any)" after "attack" - "after resolution of that attack (if any).."

Words after the ones I cite are not in play.

JR

 

[von Marwitz]

Words after the ones I cite are not in play.

JR

Klas says that this 'Heretical Rule' is only in effect at Albany.

von Marwitz

 

[jrv]

Klas says that this 'Heretical Rule' is only in effect at Albany.

Klas pretends he didn't hear and rolls his dice.

JR

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Words after the ones I cite are not in play.

I thought that was only in effect in April through October - has there been errata to that?

 

[von Marwitz]

I thought that was only in effect in April through October - has there been errata to that?

Dang it, JRV. This time you came sooo close. And that's an alternate fact...

von Marwitz