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Don't play coy, you know what it is. You defined it in an earlier post. The post you're quote has nothing to do with original article. Neither does my criticism of your post. You're acting along the very same lines your criticizing others for. I am throwing the flag. -- jim
The GOP exists for one and only one purpose: to pass tax cuts for the rich and regulatory rollbacks for corporations.
 
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Don't play coy, you know what it is. You defined it in an earlier post. The post you're quote has nothing to do with original article. Neither does my criticism of your post. You're acting along the very same lines your criticizing others for. I am throwing the flag. -- jim
I don't view myself on 'a side'. Perhaps you, by projection, may be thinking everyone else must be defending some 'side'. My original and subsequent posts correspond exactly with the article - there was no discrepancy, and I have no reason to play coy or to avoid describing my thoughts which I've done.

Let's forget the matter of whether you think I'm coy and instead get to your point having to do with the 'dysfunction' on whatever side you think I'm on? Please be more clear in your language.
 

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Let's forget the matter of whether you think I'm coy and instead get to your point having to do with the 'dysfunction' on whatever side you think I'm on? Please be more clear in your language.
Clarity: You are part of the problem. The world get's better when we the people focus on what unites us rather than what divides us. Who does division support? You and I, the little guy just trying to make his way through life or the fat cats trying to rule us all? Do you think they would rather have us focused on the stuff that get's us through the day or the things they think should keep is up at night? That clear enough? -- jim
 

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Nah. While I know it’s not all Republicans, of course, it’s a comment on the way the party leaders have been operating, and it’s right on the mark.
You're free to think as you wish, right or wrong. The post you quoted painted large, as did your subsequent remark. If that's not your intent, you should be more precise in your quips ;) -- jim
 

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Clarity: You are part of the problem. The world get's better when we the people focus on what unites us rather than what divides us. Who does division support? You and I, the little guy just trying to make his way through life or the fat cats trying to rule us all? Do you think they would rather have us focused on the stuff that get's us through the day or the things they think should keep is up at night? That clear enough? -- jim
Not especially, but let's see. Perhaps we're on the same page and don't know it.
My post had to do with showing that lies happen on both sides of the political aisle, though at this point in time we have the biggest Liar-in-Chief of all time. Neither the GOP or the DEMs have a monopoly on that vice. I hope you saw that within the OP, but not sure you did (?).

The problem as I see it, and maybe you too, is that the fat cats rule and the little guys get the scraps, and that there is great interest on the part of the donor, ruling class to keep the little guys at odds with each other so that they can keep doing what they do. If by mentioning this latter 'division' (between the big guys and the little guys that is) is something that you find damaging to mention, please explain how pointing that out is something that we shouldn't do. But if you do you agree with that, that would be helpful to know. So, what damaging division are you referring to? On that point, I'm not understanding you.
 
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In corporate rollback news... federal appeals court stops Trump from rolling back a ban on pesticide shown to cause brain damage in children.

A federal appeals court ordered the Trump administration Thursday to revoke approval for a widely used pesticide that studies show can harm the brains of children. A three-judge panel of the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals gave the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency 60 days to ban chlorpyrifos, a pesticide initially developed as a nerve gas during World War II....
[The court's order] was justified by the science and the EPA’s continued foot-dragging.​

The corporations will be disappointed.

We need to better stock those courts with pro-corporate, anti-consumer judges. The anti-science, pro-profit GOP needs to do a better job.
 

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In corporate rollback news... federal appeals court stops Trump from rolling back a ban on pesticide shown to cause brain damage in children.
Interesting and good to see how the judiciary (at least in this limited example) is pushing back on the executive branch/EPA overreach. Sometimes the people, not corporate profits, win.
 

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Or the article you just quoted. Trump is a morally reprehensible human being. He hasn't been terrible as an administrator. He has been awful as the face of our country. -- jim
Which is bad...if all you want is a face as opposed to getting things done. Trump has out "worked" the last 3 presidents (24 years worth) combined in less than 2 years.

I wasn't a Trump supporter I voted for someone else in the primaries...but I would have voted for almost anyone or anything opposed to Hillary. Wanna talk about lies...look in the dictionary, it says "See Hillary Clinton".

Watching all the PC, SJW, GW, Tree Hugging, lefty, socialist snowflakes pitch a balling hissy fit was just icing on the cake.:jig:
 

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I wasn't a Trump supporter I voted for someone else in the primaries...but I would have voted for almost anyone or anything opposed to Hillary. Wanna talk about lies...look in the dictionary, it says "See Hillary Clinton".
Yeah, Trump is just a breath of fresh air when it comes to the truth :rolleyes:

No one has even come close to this clown.
 

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Which is bad...if all you want is a face as opposed to getting things done.
Which is hypocritical for the party of the moral majority. I guess values are all relative if it comes to seeking and gaining power. -- jim
 

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If by mentioning this latter 'division' (between the big guys and the little guys that is) is something that you find damaging to mention, please explain how pointing that out is something that we shouldn't do.
It isn't the divisions between the "fat cats" and the "little cats." It's the way "fat cats" keep the "little cats" focused on dumb shit (gun control, abortion, DEM/GOP, health care) rather than focused on the fact the "fact cats" are fucking the "little cats" in the ass. We should stop focusing the narrow gaps between classes of "little cats" and start focusing on the the huge tracts of ground which we have in common and wake up to the fact the "fat cats" have to go. Now, before you go thinking I am talking about "the rich", I am not. They can be "fat cats" but that is likely an exception. I am talking about the "ruling elite" who look to remain in power. Those are the assholes running us into the ground. You tend to specifically focus on the differences between "little cats". -- jim
 

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It isn't the divisions between the "fat cats" and the "little cats." It's the way "fat cats" keep the "little cats" focused on dumb shit (gun control, abortion, DEM/GOP, health care) rather than focused on the fact the "fact cats" are fucking the "little cats" in the ass. We should stop focusing the narrow gaps between classes of "little cats" and start focusing on the the huge tracts of ground which we have in common and wake up to the fact the "fat cats" have to go. Now, before you go thinking I am talking about "the rich", I am not. They can be "fat cats" but that is likely an exception. I am talking about the "ruling elite" who look to remain in power. Those are the assholes running us into the ground. You tend to specifically focus on the differences between "little cats". -- jim
Interesting. Questions arise. Why do you think the 'fat cats' want to keep the 'little cats' unfocussed on important matters? What is it that they gain by doing that? In my view, it's largely to accumulate more wealth which begets more power. Our very society and how one is viewed is driven by money. Of course, not all rich people can they be accused of trying to put one over on everyone else - especially those who've had money for a long time. So, wealth in itself isn't the issue, but it's the primary driver and always has been so.

If your point is that the fat cats are government guys intent on maintaining power - I would ask - how exactly does that work? Do they just get off on bossing others around or does money factor into this? I'm a firm believer in the saying 'Follow the Money', when it comes to understanding what's going on here.
 

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Interesting. Questions arise. Why do you think the 'fat cats' want to keep the 'little cats' unfocussed on important matters? What is it that they gain by doing that?
I have said it many times in this thread alone but I see you are having a hard time catching on. The do it to stay in power. That's all that matters to them. Not you. Not me. No one but their own power. -- jim
 
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I have said it many times in this thread alone but I see you are having a hard time catching on. The do it to stay in power. That's all that matters to them. Not you. Not me. No one but their own power. -- jim
No, I think I understood your position, that its 'power', and indicated that in my last post. Who are 'they'? Government officials (I presume)? That's it? C'mon now. Be serious. Did the IRS mess with you once?

Of course there are people who like power, but as a means to an end - for financial purposes. In rare circumstances people seek and obtain power because they're twisted individuals who like to screw with others. To say our problems are mainly due to people who just like to screw with other people 'because they can', is ludicrous. I hope this isn't what you meant (If not, my apologies). People who strive to be the 'fat cats' of our world do it for money and for the prestige that comes with money. The financial goals for those strivers who're not already among the fattest of cats usually pursue their money for mundane purposes such as buying that fourth home, third yacht, or private school tuition for their kids. You know, moving up the ladder. Garden variety thirst for $$. Nothing too difficult to understand here.
 
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