Korea: The Forgotten War...

[Abe]

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Wow! The cover looks like a propaganda poster. Is it written in English? Looks interesting.

 

[hongkongwargamer]

Wow! The cover looks like a propaganda poster. Is it written in English? Looks interesting.

Hahah.. I am reading it okay .. so yes it's in English.

And yes .. it is a propaganda poster. Always helps to read history from different sides.

 

[Abe]

There isn't often the opportunity to get both sides of the story. Although I guess in this case there was no "winner" so history can be written (or forgotten) by both sides.

I'd be interested to read what you think of it.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

The Canadian Army official history has a surprising amount to say about the Chinese. The more I read the more I find that the Canadians had a great respect for the abilities of the Chinese soldiers. They apparently had really good junior NCOs, by 1952 were able to mass artillery fire and use it effectively during raids, had an aggressive system of patrolling, built effective earthworks that were well-camouflaged and sited to give effective defence in depth, and required about 1/5 the supplies that the UN troops required on a daily basis. The Canadians by contrast were less good at patrolling, took predictable routes prone to ambushes, and had Observation Posts and defensive positions that were conspicuous by the field telephone cables and piles of garbage left lying around.

I think the common perception of the Chinese is a bit skewed by reports of "human wave" assaults. I don't doubt they happened (at Kapyong 2 PPCLI was apparently outnumbered 9 to 1) but according to the Canadians who fought them, the Chinese were also pretty good at what they were doing by the last year or two of the war.

 

[Jacometti]

I think the common perception of the Chinese is a bit skewed by reports of "human wave" assaults.

I think the common perception of anything to do with warfare is more than a bit skewed. That is due to the excellent job done by propaganda machines.

A good example is the broad image of the Soviet Army destroying the Wehrmacht simply by overwhelming numbers. Yet I think fair analysis should at least consider that they were simply a much better army, and therefore probably the best army in the world, from mid-1944 onwards.

Of course that is not what we in the West were told after the War. We could do with the explanation that there were simply a lot of Russians.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

I think the common perception of anything to do with warfare is more than a bit skewed. That is due to the excellent job done by propaganda machines.

A good example is the broad image of the Soviet Army destroying the Wehrmacht simply by overwhelming numbers. Yet I think fair analysis should at least consider that they were simply a much better army, and therefore probably the best army in the world, from mid-1944 onwards.

I agree. I was originally going to add that the Chinese in Korea do remind me of the Russians in the sense that they grew a great deal of skill at conducting operations and transformed from an army whose primary attribute was mass.

 

[von Marwitz]

and therefore probably the best army in the world, from mid-1944 onwards.

I would not go that far, but definitively the Russians had learned a lot since 1941.

von Marwitz

 

[Yuri0352]

I think the common perception of anything to do with warfare is more than a bit skewed. That is due to the excellent job done by propaganda machines.

...And the movie industry.

 

[csiemers]

Mine changed to "packing" on the 12th and has stayed there. Original order was 12/29.

Changed to Dispatched today.

 

[Robin Reeve]

FW landed in Switzerland.

 

[JRKrejsa]

FW landed in Switzerland.

I see you melted all the snow again...

 

[Robin Reeve]

I see you melted all the snow again...

Half an inch has fallen this evening. The grass is covered in white again.

 

[GeorgeBates]

I see you melted all the snow again...

Hey, Forgotten War is a hot product, after all.

 

[kynken]

I like this one.

 

[Robin Reeve]

I now have had the occasion to scan through the rules and scenarios.
I was not initially fully convinced that I would like a post WW2 ASL setting.
But I think that I will like FW a lot.
Nice toys, new terrain rules (steep hills is really interesting and could be adapted to WW2 settings such as Italian mountain combat or some PTO situations comes to mind), new units (the Communist Chinese restrictions on movement are intriguing), etc.
That module must have taken a huge time to be designed and playtested ! A true work of love.
I also like the matte rendering of the new boards: an unexpected improvement - perhaps will the following new boards follow that line?

I don't play Night rules, but this module is teasing me to try another time to dip my foot in the water...
Rice paddies are not my prefered terrain, but they are not that hard to play - they only are in one state at a given time... and when one plays them in a more regular way, things get easier from time to time.

So my enthusiasm is growing, as discovering new rules and the "feel" of a war that I hardly know anything about is a very pleasant prospective.

And, last but not least, this module will perhaps see our Chinese ASLers contribute in the future, as they have access to some Chinese sources that most of us cannot read - btw, if someone is wary of the propaganda aspect of those sources, I would say that the West has also developed a propaganda litterature during the Cold War... comparing sources can reduce the exagerations or euphemisms of both sides.

So congrats to MMP for the good job !

 

[pswede26]

I now have had the occasion to scan through the rules and scenarios.
I was not initially fully convinced that I would like a post WW2 ASL setting.
But I think that I will like FW a lot.
Nice toys, new terrain rules (steep hills is really interesting and could be adapted to WW2 settings such as Italian mountain combat or some PTO situations comes to mind), new units (the Communist Chinese restrictions on movement are intriguing), etc.
That module must have taken a huge time to be designed and playtested ! A true work of love.
I also like the matte rendering of the new boards: an unexpected improvement - perhaps will the following new boards follow that line?

I don't play Night rules, but this module is teasing me to try another time to dip my foot in the water...
Rice paddies are not my prefered terrain, but they are not that hard to play - they only are in one state at a given time... and when one plays them in a more regular way, things get easier from time to time.

So my enthusiasm is growing, as discovering new rules and the "feel" of a war that I hardly know anything about is a very pleasant prospective.

And, last but not least, this module will perhaps see our Chinese ASLers contribute in the future, as they have access to some Chinese sources that most of us cannot read - btw, if someone is wary of the propaganda aspect of those sources, I would say that the West has also developed a propaganda litterature during the Cold War... comparing sources can reduce the exagerations or euphemisms of both sides.

So congrats to MMP for the good job !

Robin,

As one of the designers, I wanted to say thanks. What you expressed is what we hoped ASLers would feel about FW. We sincerely felt this module had the potential to bring new life blood to ASL. Andy Hershey and I were only with the project for about 10-11 years...Ken Katz, Mike Reed, and Paul Works were with it for much, much longer. Plus, we had a lot of great reviewers, contributors, and playtesters. As you say...it was a work of love.

Hopefully, as time goes by, the Korean War will become less and less forgotten...for all the combatants and peoples of Korea.

Pete

 

[STAVKA]

You mean that if all German division were to be replaced by Soviet division on all fronts , Italy, Normandie and East Front in the summer of 1944 the end result should have been better than what the Germans achieved.

Lol, you must be out of your mind, or give me a better explanation of what you mean.

I think the common perception of anything to do with warfare is more than a bit skewed. That is due to the excellent job done by propaganda machines.

A good example is the broad image of the Soviet Army destroying the Wehrmacht simply by overwhelming numbers. Yet I think fair analysis should at least consider that they were simply a much better army, and therefore probably the best army in the world, from mid-1944 onwards.

Of course that is not what we in the West were told after the War. We could do with the explanation that there were simply a lot of Russians.

 

[Jacometti]

You mean that if all German division were to be replaced by Soviet division on all fronts , Italy, Normandie and East Front in the summer of 1944 the end result should have been better than what the Germans achieved.

Lol, you must be out of your mind, or give me a better explanation of what you mean.

I really am not interested in debating history with you, Melvin. I would not want to waste your or my time.

Have a great Sunday.

 

[STAVKA]

I really am not interested in debating history with you, Melvin. I would not want to waste your or my time.

Have a great Sunday.

Ok I understand perhaps it was a misprint on your part. You meant to write that the Redfacists were better than the Nazis, midsummer 1945, lol.

You too.

 

[STAVKA]

The losses of the Redfacist Russian Army are staggering and only a socialist facist death system could have such a contempt of human life.

The link give you the numbers of fallen during WWIi.