Kibitzing

[GeorgeBates]

I must say it brings a little joy and a touch of sadness to see the name Jim McLeod (of Clan McLeod) on the Intrawebs again.

 

[Sparafucil3]

I must say it brings a little joy and a touch of sadness to see the name Jim McLeod (of Clan McLeod) on the Intrawebs again.

I thought the same thing two days ago. He was a good soul. -- jim

 

[Blaze]

So large that I never saw it been floated by anyone of my opponents - but I never played a dishonest one yet.

Unless they were masters of dishonesty and totally hid that from you.

 

[Robin Reeve]

Unless they were masters of dishonesty and totally hid that from you.

Or I am naive - which is even more probable (applying the Hanlon's Razor principle Hanlon's Razor on wiki ).

 

[kcole4001]

Unless they were masters of dishonesty and totally hid that from you.

They're usually nowhere near as subtle as they think they are if you're paying attention at all.

A question re: this occurs to me:

If someone did this and you realize it, you give them the stare and they feign innocence, would you keep playing to see if you still beat them (assuming there's a reasonable chance) and thus rub salt in the wound of them getting caught cheating, or do you just forfeit the game saying something to the effect of "if you want to win that badly, then you can have it, but it'll be the last time with me".

Do the circumstances matter to you - friendly game vs tournament, someone you just met vs and old friend vs someone on the periphery of your core friend group - ?

I have been in this situation a couple of times (playing games other than ASL) with old friends and have just let them pretend that it was an innocent mistake for the sake of friendship but been very careful to not play that game with them again - pretty much assuming here that the temptation was too much and their competitive nature overcame better judgment. (and I made it very obvious that I didn't believe them)
Also happened with a peripheral friend and that was the last time I played him other than within a group in an RPG (in which he tried to rules lawyer around the DM constantly).
Good riddance to that guy.

 

[Actionjick]

They're usually nowhere near as subtle as they think they are if you're paying attention at all.

A question re: this occurs to me:

If someone did this and you realize it, you give them the stare and they feign innocence, would you keep playing to see if you still beat them (assuming there's a reasonable chance) and thus rub salt in the wound of them getting caught cheating, or do you just forfeit the game saying something to the effect of "if you want to win that badly, then you can have it, but it'll be the last time with me".

Do the circumstances matter to you - friendly game vs tournament, someone you just met vs and old friend vs someone on the periphery of your core friend group - ?

I have been in this situation a couple of times (playing games other than ASL) with old friends and have just let them pretend that it was an innocent mistake for the sake of friendship but been very careful to not play that game with them again - pretty much assuming here that the temptation was too much and their competitive nature overcame better judgment. (and I made it very obvious that I didn't believe them)
Also happened with a peripheral friend and that was the last time I played him other than within a group in an RPG (in which he tried to rules lawyer around the DM constantly).
Good riddance to that guy.

If someone thought that they had to cheat to beat me I would take it as a semi compliment but also would have serious doubts about their ability to judge my abilities.

 

[pensatl1962]

I am experienced - sorts of, I have been playing since 1986 - and I often forget things...
We are an ageing crowd.
When you get older, you lose two things: memory and... and...

So right you are. I’ve told my friends that it’s a good thing there isn’t an ASL “bar exam”, or very few of us would be playing. Maybe we should have ASL CEUs…?

 

[Sparafucil3]

If someone did this and you realize it, you give them the stare and they feign innocence, would you keep playing to see if you still beat them (assuming there's a reasonable chance) and thus rub salt in the wound of them getting caught cheating, or do you just forfeit the game saying something to the effect of "if you want to win that badly, then you can have it, but it'll be the last time with me".

I would call a friend out. I would give him the benefit of the doubt WRT cheating but I definitely wouldn't sit there and let him play the rule wrong. I would expect my friends to do the same to me too. I am very hesitant to ascribe to malice that which can be easily explained by ignorance or lack of memory. It takes a long pattern of continued behavior for me to consider someone what I call a "chiseler". Technically, they probably are cheating, but I don't think of it as cheating as much as I do just being a jerk. I have known at least one player who fell into that category. No, I won't tell you who it is. I know of one other who was on the cusp of that label but lately I find them to be much more mellow. No, I won't tell you who that is either. Form your own opinions of other players. Never listen to one guy saying something about another player. Maybe the person telling the story is wrong or the real problem. That's my approach anyway. YMMV. -- jim

 

[Robin Reeve]

I am very hesitant to ascribe to malice that which can be easily explained by ignorance or lack of memory.

You are rightly applying Hanlon's Razor (a sub category of Occam's Razor) rule :
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

 

[Sparafucil3]

You are rightly applying Hanlon's Razor (a sub category of Occam's Razor) rule :
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Well aware of the razor. I didn't think others would be so I stuck to the actual text -- jim

 

[Will Fleming]

Today my opponent thought his turreted flame-throwing AFV was NT. I said, don't you want a 30 (+2 TCA change) vs 30 (+3 NT) change on the IFT?

Karma came through for me and he X'd it later, still only half way through the scenario. Usually it does not work out so well and call me a disbeliever in 'karma'. Well, it doesn't work that way in ASLOK mini finals for me.

 

[Vic Provost]

I have been playing this game since ASL started and have never run into someone I thought was cheating on purpose, I have had a couple instances where my opponent had applied a rule incorrectly, they were corrected by me and several others each time and we moved on, no harm, no foul. ASL players in general have been honest to a fault, we are here to play and have fun. You of course want to win but sometimes the damn dice won't work for you but against you. I still have fun, no matter what the dice do to me!