Judged by History

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Remember watching the cheering audience from the newsreels of Hitler haranging "the Jews", and wondering what ever became of those people? I think we should remind today's Trump supporters that they will not be forgotten by history, either. For the next century, historians will be looking at THEIR faces as much as Trump's when reviewing and writing about this stark example of 21st century racism.

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On the other hand remember when Barr was asked about his future reputation and his answer was basically "I'll be dead by then."
 

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yeah the history books that our future generations will be reading of these years. Really amazing if one steps back and looks at things, which is of course part of the much larger problem this country has.. it didn't.. and hasn't.

some of the chapters the next generations will find of interest..

1) the beginning of the end of the Republican Party (1854-2032)

2) the end of the electoral college (1787-?) Future students will note that Trump was the very thing that defense mechanism of our institutions and values was put in place to protect our country against. The problem was of course, it took well over 200 years for the electorate to prove the fears of the Founding Fathers correct and by then it had merely become a redundant mechanism or process.. thus unnecessary.. thus removed).

3) the death of the Senate (1787-2021/2023) as as a higher more deliborate body to offset the House. The history books are already being written of this but this won't be blamed on Trump.. it will fall squarely in the lap of Senator No.. McConnell. The 60 vote threshold is as dead as the Republican Party but this death is coming much sooner that the GOP's. It happens right after the Democrats retake the Senate.

4) the progressive revolution (2021-?). A multi-decade movement very similar to the Reagan Revolution (1980-2008) in which conservative politics dominated America. The history books will likely show it took the extreme reaction to Trump and the now ideologically bankrupt Republican Party along with the dawning realization of the serious threat of Global Warming and Climate change to finally move our country leftward.
 

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2) the end of the electoral college (1787-?) Future students will note that Trump was the very thing that defense mechanism of our institutions and values was put in place to protect our country against. The problem was of course, it took well over 200 years for the electorate to prove the fears of the Founding Fathers correct and by then it had merely become a redundant mechanism or process.. thus unnecessary.. thus removed).
If the College isn't replaced with something, then rural areas of this country will be in virtual servitude to the urban areas. You will see less and less participation in the process. Even in a Parliament system, the people don't directly elect the Prime Minister. They elect their local officers who then go on to form a government. You need something that ensures local interests are at least paid lip service. -- jim
 

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aren't they in a way already... look no further than Virginia Jim.
 

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On the other hand remember when Barr was asked about his future reputation and his answer was basically "I'll be dead by then."
I once was talking with an older woman, a Trumpist before there was a Trump, and we were discussing a murderer who had been arrested, tried, and found guilty. As he was leaving the courtroom he threatened everyone involved. It upset her that the man wasn't to be executed and could still scare his victims. I pointed out to her that people being led off to life in prison (or the gallows for that matter) often make empty threats as that's the only power they have.

Barr made an empty threat. He won't be dead "by then". History will judge him badly and right soon. And those young folk sitting behind Trump, cheering and chanting, most won't be dead in 30 years.

The families of the southern whites who beat the Freedom Riders aren't dead either, and when the great-grandchildren sit in a classroom and discuss the video of berserk white women beating unresisting black and white youths, they know who they're seeing.
 

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aren't they in a way already... look no further than Virginia Jim.
I had a longer post showing examples of how that was working at the state level but it was a wall of text. It will only be worse if you do it at the federal level. -- jim
 

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if you can get a formatted version of what you were trying to post Jim I'd love to read it.

Anyhow.. who knows much resistance to that kind of change might generate. It could generate more support though than might be suspected. Millions of Republicans votes literally count for jack shit in California.. and it appears Texas is heading exactly the same way where the large rural areas are about to be crushed by urban and suburban areas. Instead of screwing the rural areas it really just might give them more power.. at very least it couldn't give them any less. In larger states they are often overwhelmed by urbanites and now increasingly suburbanites.. and in smaller rural agarian states? The E.C votes they have are a drop in the bucket per se in comparison to the larger totals. No candidates really campaign there.. their votes are either assured or worthless so what is to lose by removing the middle man and going to direct elections. It definitely is more democratic and soon not to matter for either party.. which way it is done. In fact the Republicans might have more of chance in a very short time frame of winning the popular vote than getting to 270
 

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WTF are you people talking about? The poor rural folk? Let's see, they are hard put upon because of all the shit the cities pay for? Oh, if their votes don't count for MORE than large states, they are being oppressed?

Here's what will happen in a democratic system: the MARKET will rebalance to reward rural voters with financial benefits for choosing to live outside of big states. As with the rural Confederate states, it is the power they have concentrated in a small elite that cause their economic hardships.
 
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