Jazz
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So, SSR states the river is flooded. No mention of the stream depth. Flooded or not?
J202 Down By The River SSR
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EagleIV
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I would say not flooded since it is not specifically mentioned although there could be errata on it.
Jazz
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As many have correctly pointed out, the letter of the Rulz dictates the stream is "Shallow" and the level of the stream is -1. Of course, this presents the ASL play with a geographically and hydrologically improbable situation with a flooded river at level 0 just a few hexes away from a stream at -1.
After a flurry of impassioned and emotional discussion, and careful consideration of the fact that the SSRs for this scenario reek of environmental moisture, we as a playing group have decided to reject what we have come to call the "beaver dam hypothesis" and play the stream as flooded, which is what we feel was the original scenario designer's artistic intent anyhow.
That's our story and we're sticking to it.
After a flurry of impassioned and emotional discussion, and careful consideration of the fact that the SSRs for this scenario reek of environmental moisture, we as a playing group have decided to reject what we have come to call the "beaver dam hypothesis" and play the stream as flooded, which is what we feel was the original scenario designer's artistic intent anyhow.
That's our story and we're sticking to it.
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If the stream is flooded, it will cut part of the upper board from the other and prevent any advance along the streambed.
That would change the scenario's dynamics.
That would change the scenario's dynamics.
Larry
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Water does not flow without gravity. The stream cuts across the board at level 0. We know that the stream has probably dropped inches to feet during a 500 yard traverse. But we play ASL physics and suspend reality ... kind of.
Jazz
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<gasp!>
Kinda makes it like kinky sex?
FWIW there is a footbridge across the stream by SSR....just one more clue as to the designer's artistic intent....
klasmalmstrom
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Not Flooded. Depth is Shallow.
Jazz
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You heard my story and we're sticking to it....beaver dam be damned.....
Wayne
Doing Plenty, Kinda Slow
[ ... news flash -- Jazz says No to beaver ... ]
Jazz
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I didn't realize beavers tails were held that way.....?
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Eagle4ty
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I think Klas has it correct (What a surprise there! 
). as per B20.4 "If undefined by SSR, a stream is considered to be shallow."
BTW, I would have gone with your assessment as also flooded; but then again, what do I know!
). as per B20.4 "If undefined by SSR, a stream is considered to be shallow." BTW, I would have gone with your assessment as also flooded; but then again, what do I know!
Jazz
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Of course Klas had it correct....don't be silly.I think Klas has it correct (What a surprise there!
BTW, I would have gone with your assessment as also flooded; but then again, what do I know!
Still, the SSRs for rthis scenario absolutely reek of water.....it's art man,,,,
Jazz
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If I may be so bold as to quote the historical aftermath on the scenario card.....
I rest my case.
johnl
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klasmalmstrom
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I have been in touch with him. The submission had the stream as Deep - never Flooded. IIRC, it was changed to Shallow during play testing.
Designer here.... what Klas says. The original design had the stream flooded, which was for realism reasons. That was changed during the playtests.
klasmalmstrom
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Deep, IIRC?
Right, deep. My bad.
Tuomo
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So you'll be issuing a Director's Cut version of the scenario,
with your Original Artistic Vision intact?
with your Original Artistic Vision intact?