Infantry overrun of SMC hanging out with a concealed unit

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Hex contains a foxhole with a concealed 468 in a Graveyard hex. On top of foxhole resides a German 149 hero. Foxhole is engulfed in +2 dispersed smoke all around it.

Next to foxhole is an AMI 9-1/667 with wall advantage (among other Ami HS).

The adjacent AMI 9-1/468 in smoke, with WA wish to strip the adjacent 468's concealment for later CC as the Graveyard is a VC hex.

So they attempt an infantry overrun of the 149. Leader successfully takes a +3 PAATC (+2 for smoke in hex hindrance, +1 for hero's Graveyard TEM). The 468 then must reveal to invoke A12.15 and bounce back the 9-1/667.

Does the 468 lose concealment or does he momentarily reveal to prove he is a real unit?

Below is the Infantry overrun rule.

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Rich


4.15 INFANTRY OVR: An Infantry MMC may enter in the MPh a Location containing only one Known enemy SMC (unless that SMC occupies an AFV) at double the total MF cost of entry provided it has passed a NTC to enable it to enter the Location [EXC: Berserk (A15.432)]. A leader may exempt all MMC he is stacked with and moves with from that NTC by passing it himself but if he fails, no unit in his stack may attempt a NTC individually nor may any of those units move or take any other action during that phase ( A10.1). A unit may take its NTC at any time during its MPh prior to entering the enemy Location (or in the enemy Location in the case of entry of a Location containing only a concealed SMC), but must add a DRM equal to the TEM (and any applicable LOS Hindrance in—not between—that Location such as SMOKE, grain, or orchard) of the enemy-occupied Location it wishes to enter (hexside TEM apply only if the present LOS crosses that hexside). If other (concealed) units are in the same Location, A12.15 would apply. More than one SMC must be revealed to deny a Location to an enemy MMC capable of OVR. Other MMC could attempt subsequent Infantry OVR attacks but each would require a separate NTC.
 

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Compare A12.15 use of "reveal" and A12.11 use of the phrase "momentarily reveal." The MMC is stripped. A.9 also uses "reveal" as a statement of losing concealment.
 

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Hex contains a foxhole with a concealed 468 in a Graveyard hex. On top of foxhole resides a German 149 hero. Foxhole is engulfed in +2 dispersed smoke all around it.

Next to foxhole is an AMI 9-1/667 with wall advantage (among other Ami HS).

The adjacent AMI 9-1/468 in smoke, with WA wish to strip the adjacent 468's concealment for later CC as the Graveyard is a VC hex.

So they attempt an infantry overrun of the 149. Leader successfully takes a +3 PAATC (+2 for smoke in hex hindrance, +1 for hero's Graveyard TEM). The 468 then must reveal to invoke A12.15 and bounce back the 9-1/667.

Does the 468 lose concealment or does he momentarily reveal to prove he is a real unit?
There's a lot going on in there. Just to make sure I've got the situation correctly... The 9-1 and 667 go over the wall into the smokey graveyard for SMC overrun/?reveal bump... If that's right -- a couple additional remarks:

....but must add a DRM equal to the TEM (and any applicable LOS Hindrance in—not between—that Location such as SMOKE, grain, or orchard) of the enemy-occupied Location it wishes to enter (hexside TEM apply only if the present LOS crosses that hexside)
1. It isn't crystal clear from those rules that the wall hexside TEM can't be claimed (the LOS does cross the wall hexside).... but I think it can't because even moving over the wall the AMI WA precludes that TEM.

2.The AMI's retain WA throughout for sure because there's at least a HS left behind holding WA unambiguously. But if there weren't any units left back in the original hex... as I read the rules I believe the AMI's would still retain WA throughout because they've been 'denied the location' -- IOW they never managed to leave the WA location to lose it (this is consistent with all six MP expended in the original hex and also denies the SMC an SMC-OVR retreat.)

*oh, and foxholes in graveyard? Yeech, not cool. Isn't there some Geneva Convention rule forbidding that?
 

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*oh, and foxholes in graveyard? Yeech, not cool. Isn't there some Geneva Convention rule forbidding that?
It could be worse than that:

Russians making German PoWs dig Foxholes in a Graveyard before... (A20.4, A20.5, B27.1, B27.11)

Uh-oh... :oops:

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