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I would say that we are close to the abandonment of the rule of law by the republican party in our country, and all because white old men cannot handle sharing power.
That sounds about right. Giving up power is hard! Which is why they play the victim so well.
 

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The real lesson is how frantic Spanky and his cultists are. They "can't handle the truth", to quote yet another movie, so they want to suppress the gathering of evidence. Even Nixon didn't try something like that.

I've seen 3 of 5 US Presidential impeachments in my life (Nixon, Clinton and Spanky). Did I do something very wrong in a previous incarnation or is this an entertainment reward for previous good deeds. Definitely this one is the most colourful and entertaining so far.
There has only been 3 impeachments so far (Johnson, Nixon, & Clinton) and none were removed. Right now this is just an inquiry but in the next month or so I am sure that we will see a full on impeachment and everything will be in public and even the State TV watchers won't be able to spin it.
 

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Technically, Nixon wasn't impeached as he resigned before the house voted.
 

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Trump about killing the leader of ISIS: "“He died after running into a dead-end tunnel, whimpering and crying and screaming all the way,” the president said. [...]“He died like a dog. He died like a coward”.

It's been long time since I've last heard such contempt regarding human being - last time it was from ISIS leader. No relief, no sense of victory over evil organization, just satisfaction through degradation. It's kinda disgusting to hear those words from someone holding a position of, metaphorically speaking, supreme diplomat.

If someone feels that tears, the most sacred sign of human suffering, give him satisfaction, then that person should be medically treated, or isolated.
 

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Trump about killing the leader of ISIS: "“He died after running into a dead-end tunnel, whimpering and crying and screaming all the way,” the president said. [...]“He died like a dog. He died like a coward”.
I don't dare to imagine what Trump would have done in the same situation...
 

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While i share the discomfort felt, i would put in the same basket the slightly more subtle, but still similarly despicable pushline: "we came, we saw, he died"
Always seems to be the case that the bravest after the event are those who sacrificed nothing whatsoever.
 

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We knew that the GOP was anti-vet when they voted for Trump, a draft dodger that belittled US PoWs and Gold Star families.

See attached PDF for Vindman's very damning opening statement. How republicans can look themselves in the mirror while supporting this type of behavior is the central question our country faces right now. The right has bleated on about "the culture" war so long that they've ensconced themselves in a culture that no longer has right and wrong, but conservative and liberal, and only conservative matters.

The appalling GOP attacks on a US military officer's patriotism are next-level

"It seems very clear that he is incredibly concerned about Ukrainian defense," said former Wisconsin Rep. Sean Duffy on CNN Tuesday morning. "I don't know that he's concerned about American policy ... we all have an affinity to our homeland where we came from ... he has an affinity for the Ukraine."
"Fox & Friends" co-host Brian Kilmeade echoed that sentiment Tuesday morning. "He tends to feel simpatico with Ukraine," he said of Vindman.
And on Tuesday night, Fox's Laura Ingraham led a panel discussion in which she and her guests suggested that Vindman might actually be a double agent for the Ukrainians.
How? Why? Well, what's happening here is clear. Vindman was born in Ukraine. He fled the country with his father and twin brother at age 3. (His brother, Yevgeny, is a lawyer at the NSC.)
And so, despite the fact that Vindman's entire life has been an uniquely American success story -- college graduate, decorated military veteran, government official -- Republicans are seizing on the fact he was born in Ukraine to suggest his motives in coming forward to speak out about his concerns over Trump's behavior are something short of pure.
What evidence -- outside of the fact that Vindman was born in Ukraine -- do people like Duffy, Kilmeade and Ingraham have to make these outrageous claims? Oh, none.
 

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Trump apologists like the ones you point out above cause much concern. Smearing an apparently decent American for reasons designed to ingratiate oneself to the autocrat Trump are indeed - a step too far. There's a great loss of democratic perspective. A blind and stupid move towards authoritarianism.

Thanks to Trump - we're now in a Roy Cohn kind of America

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We already have the transcript. There is just nothing there to impeach.

Vindman's opinions are irrelevant as anyone can read the transcript.
With that said, no one should be trying to smear his name.
Of course the hypocrisy here is that it was perfectly fine with Carter Paige and Michael Flynn.
 

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We already have the transcript. There is just nothing there to impeach.
Did you read it, or just the propaganda surrounding it? Anyone that reads that and thinks there isn’t a quid-pro-quo isn’t working within reality.

If you think trying to get dirt on an opponent from foreign governments isn’t impeachable, then fine. But arguing there isn’t a quid-pro-quo is the true TDS.
 

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Did you read it, or just the propaganda surrounding it? Anyone that reads that and thinks there isn’t a quid-pro-quo isn’t working within reality.

If you think trying to get dirt on an opponent from foreign governments isn’t impeachable, then fine. But arguing there isn’t a quid-pro-quo is the true TDS.
He doesn't want to see it.

First it was the FBI that was Deep State, never tRUMPers
then it was the Judicial that just refused to let him do EVERYTHING that he wanted
then it became the CIA that was Deep State, never tRUMPers
now it is the State Dept. that is Deep State, never tRUMPers

Everyone has it in for our Dear Leader and he is so misunderstood. What a wonderful guy he is and he is just so absolutely forthright. :rolleyes:
 

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We already have the transcript. There is just nothing there to impeach.
July 25 Phone call -
TRUMP: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you said yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.

TRUMP: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it...It sounds horrible to me.

On Thursday (2019 Oct 3), Trump was again asked what he was specifically seeking on a July 25 call when he asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for “a favor.”

“Well, I would think if they were honest about it, they’d start a major investigation into the Bidens,” Trump responded. “It’s a very simple answer. They should investigate the Bidens because how does a company that’s newly formed and all these companies, and by the way, likewise, China should start an investigation into the Bidens because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine. So I would say with President Zelensky, if it were me, I would recommend they start an investigation into the Bidens, because nobody has any doubt that they weren’t crooked.”

Mulvaney acknowledged this was the purpose to withhold the funds on TV, Oct 17, thrice.

After Stephanopoulos' interview of Trump aired June 19 where he said he would accept information about an political opponent from a foreign government if he was called, the FEC chair clarified law. “Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election,” FEC Chair Weintraub wrote.

Trump has violated law. He asked a foreign government for assistance to win an election. If Bill Clinton can be impeached for lying to a grand jury then Trump can be impeached for violating FEC law (and others).
 

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Maybe Chas is an immigrant from Russia and just has an affinity for his home country? That's apparently the explanation for every witness giving testimony against Trump's attempt to rig the 2020 election.
 
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