Polka Sheep
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Alright, alright, I lose. We lost the Vietnam War. But go Germany, for winning the Second World War and all.
Now Polka Sheep, you know you should not be operating dangerous and expensive equipment when you're as drunk as that comment indicated.Originally posted by Polka Sheep
We lost the Vietnam War. But go Germany, for winning the Second World War and all.
Now we're talking :thumup:Originally posted by Polka Sheep
Alright, alright, I lose. We lost the Vietnam War. But go Germany, for winning the Second World War and all.
hmmm soo.... veryyy.... temmmpptttinnggggOriginally posted by kid kool
The whole point is that we didn't lose the Vietnam War in Vietnam, we lost it in New York and Washington. The loss of the Vietnam war was not a result of the North Vietnamese fighting force. Even with all the ridiculous restrictions the politicians placed on our military we still won all the battles and managed to preserve South Vietnam's independence. There were three major factors which ultimately led to defeat in Vietnam.
1. "Vietnamization" had a very serious flaw. This was the plan that as South Vietnam's army grew stronger, the U.S. would slowly reduce the number of troops. This turned out to be quite effective early on. Even after the U.S. military had left, the South was still able to crush the north on its own (while receiving U.S. military aid.)The problem with the implementation of this strategy was that the South Vietnamese army was equipped like a regular U.S. division. Their economy simply could not support maintaining this kind of a force once the U.S. congress decided to withhold military aid. The forces should have been equipped in a way that was more practical for them to be able to maintain on their own.
2. The case-church amendment has to have been one of the most treacherous pieces of legislation the congress has ever passed. After we had gone through all those years of fighting and had managed to preserve Sotuh Vietnam's independence, congress
took away our ability to enforce the Paris Peace Accords. It was always understood that any violations by the North vietnamese would be enforced with American air power. Then congress legislated that power away and it basically was like sending a telegram to the North Vietnamese saying we weren't going to enforce our part of the agreement. So then the North was free to invade. Congress then blocked all aid to the South
3. The watergate scandal that forced Richard Nixon out of the White House swept democrats into the congress, and changed the whole political atmosphere. The bumbling Gerald Ford simply did not have the foreign policy expertise that Nixon had, and Ford also had no clout or mandate to do anything really. He did try for emergency aid for Thieu, but he did not have the skills Nixon possessed to convince what had become a far more liberal congress.
Originally posted by Headshot
hmmm soo.... veryyy.... temmmpptttinngggg
but realistically we can blame the war on one(or six) bullet(s) that killed JFK who had the EO ready to remove the stars and stripes from SEA
The British did not want for backing among the populace during the Revolution.The best way i have heard it put was one-third of the colonials were for independence,one-third were against,and the other third were fence sitters.Originally posted by Daw
What I find ironic is the same people who insist the US didn't lose Vietnam, just "withdrew", are normally the exact same people who go on about how the US "kicked English Butt" in the war of independence. The fact is it is impossible to win a guerrilla war when you lack the backing of the local population. The British learnt this in 1783
Punished ? On the contrary ! God was a sweet guy with them : He created The huge Atlantic to separate America from Great Britain. We, the French, have only the Channel (and I don’t speak about the Rhine and the Germans…).Originally posted by Marko
This thread is now totally off topic, the colonists were punished for their treason - they inherited the USA.