Human Wave - should it be excluded sometimes?

[Blaze]

If you have a lot of Russian conscripts that can see the enemy ten or so hexes away it is a good way to close up with 8 MF instead of 3/5 MF. Then you can do it again.

Well, yeah. Who cares about Conscripts anyways! "When the man in front of you dies, take the rifle from him and use the clip you were issued. Continue to fire"!

Da svidania

 

[Vic Provost]

Well, yeah. Who cares about Conscripts anyways! "When the man in front of you dies, take the rifle from him and use the clip you were issued. Continue to fire"!

Da svidania

The Russian armies 'training' continues to this very day in Ukraine. Once incompetent, always incompetent (Exception: WW2 from Stalingrad to Berlin).

 

[Larry]

The Russians transferred the burden of hard fighting (and human waves) as early and as often as possible, dating back to WWI. Norman Davies likes to remind people that the Soviet Union's staggering WWII casualty count likely includes more non-Russians (Kyrgyz, Kazakhs, Mongols, Turkmen, Uzbeks, Ukrainians, etc.) than Russians. The Russians like to take credit for sacrifice in war, but for the most part that sacrifice was borne by conquered peoples (Soviets) who were mis-labeled as Russians.

The last game I played with Piotr Rogenholt ... he said he referred to the "Russians" as the "Soviets" for similar reasons.

 

[JRKrejsa]

The last game I played with Piotr Rogenholt ... he said he referred to the "Russians" as the "Soviets" for similar reasons.

I always do.

 

[PresterJohn]

I'm sure the use of "Russian" in SL is resulting from the German based literature in use back in the 50's thru 70's which used Russian as a label rather than Soviet. German language translation of Soviets might be something like "commitee member" perhaps. I don't know.
But the point is German terminology was an "r" for captured Soviet equipment, for example. And I also expect this has been explained before too.

 

[Pitman]

I've used numberless banzai charges, and some Chinese human wave attacks, but I probably haven't done a Soviet human wave attack since 2004 or 2005 or so. I seem to forget about it when playing them.

 

[Pitman]

The Russians transferred the burden of hard fighting (and human waves) as early and as often as possible, dating back to WWI. Norman Davies likes to remind people that the Soviet Union's staggering WWII casualty count likely includes more non-Russians (Kyrgyz, Kazakhs, Mongols, Turkmen, Uzbeks, Ukrainians, etc.) than Russians. The Russians like to take credit for sacrifice in war, but for the most part that sacrifice was borne by conquered peoples (Soviets) who were mis-labeled as Russians.

Norman Davies is often not reliable, so I would not accept this contention without firm citations.

 

[Paul John]

The Russians transferred the burden of hard fighting (and human waves) as early and as often as possible, dating back to WWI. Norman Davies likes to remind people that the Soviet Union's staggering WWII casualty count likely includes more non-Russians (Kyrgyz, Kazakhs, Mongols, Turkmen, Uzbeks, Ukrainians, etc.) than Russians. The Russians like to take credit for sacrifice in war, but for the most part that sacrifice was borne by conquered peoples (Soviets) who were mis-labeled as Russians.

Sort of like the 'British' counters we push about. Commonly colonials of one sort or another, but usually identified as such at least.

 

[Paul John]

I've used numberless banzai charges, and some Chinese human wave attacks, but I probably haven't done a Soviet human wave attack since 2004 or 2005 or so. I seem to forget about it when playing them.

I am very similar, but the main reason is the number of squads required to get it going. I seem to rarely have that lined up.

 

[GeorgeBates]

Human Wave, Banzai Charge and Bayonet Charge can all be very effective when conducted in Light Woods.

 

[Pitman]

Human Wave, Banzai Charge and Bayonet Charge can all be very effective when conducted in Light Woods.

Exactly how many scenarios have you played with light woods?

 

[GeorgeBates]

Exactly how many scenarios have you played with light woods?

Dozens. Working on the Winter War scenario rebuilds.
Plus some designs in which Light Woods is used to simulate Malayan rubber groves.