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ETO scenario. PIllbixes set up HIP and are placed on board as soon as the enemy has LOS to them.
PB contents set up HiP.
Are the contents placed on board at the same time as the PB?

Are the contents placed on bard concealed?
 

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ETO scenario. PIllbixes set up HIP and are placed on board as soon as the enemy has LOS to them.
PB contents set up HiP.
Are the contents placed on board at the same time as the PB?

Are the contents placed on bard concealed?
I actually had a similar question come up, but in reverse. In the PTO some units in a PB shot and were thus brought onboard. But is the HIP PB revealed as well?
I imagine the answers to these two questions are the same.
 

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Though not directly related to the question(s) specifically, at least tangentially the following may provide some insight:

  • A12.3 & A12.33
Given “Fortifications in Concealment Terrain may always set up hidden and remain hidden until…” (A12.33), what
concealed/HIP status may a unit within such a HIP foxhole claim at setup (i.e., may it also set up HIP by fact that it is in a HIP
foxhole)?
A. No “free” HIP due to setting up in a foxhole. But a hidden Pillbox allows the contents to set up using HIP as well; B30.7.
If the foxhole is later revealed by enemy LOS, in what way is the unit in the foxhole now revealed, if at all (i.e., still HIP or
concealed, was HIP but now placed on board and Concealed, or now on board and fully revealed)?
  • A. Any hidden/concealed unit beneath a foxhole is not revealed just because the foxhole is.
As for Jeff's situation, G.2 answers this question: "...[EXC: an entrenchment whose occupant(s) are hidden is revealed when a non-Dummy enemy unit enters its Location only if ≥ one of its occupants is revealed too (see G.4); a pillbox is also revealed if any of its occupants fires]. ..."
 

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ETO scenario. PIllbixes set up HIP and are placed on board as soon as the enemy has LOS to them.
PB contents set up HiP.
Are the contents placed on board at the same time as the PB?

Are the contents placed on bard concealed?
The Pillbox is placed on board when the enemy has LOS to them (in ETO terrain).

Its contents remain HIP within the Pillbox as it is Concealment Terrain. Basically the same as if the HIP units were in other types of Concealment Terrain.

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The Pillbox is placed on board when the enemy has LOS to them.

Its contents remain HIP within the Pillbox as it is Concealment Terrain. Basically the same as if the HIP units were in other types of Concealment Terrain.

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Therein lies the crux of the discussion: A Pillbox (Bunker) location is concealment terrain (B30.7).
 

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I would not place the contents onboard until revealed: it would give some information about their number and the possible weapons (Gun, SW) they are manning.
 

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Thanks guys, that's what I thought. The part that gave me pause was:

: A pillbox Location is Concealment Terrain; however, "?"/HIP in a pillbox neither halves the FP of, nor adds a TH DRM to, an attack on it/its-contents.

Just wanted to double check we were playing it tight.
 

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Whaaat? "30.7 CONCEALMENT: A pillbox Location is Concealment Terrain . . . ." Okay. Well, is Terrain Chart B wrong? "Pillbox" is not printed in red.
 
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