Heroic DRM and Cocktail Molotov

[Juan SantaX]

Does the heroic DRM apply to a FG when the Heroe is using a molotov cocktail vs infantry?

HEROIC DRM: A hero/any FG (even if just another SMC) he is part of (providing the hero is firing at Normal Range of either his inherent FP or his weapon counter) may deduct one from its IFT/CC resolution DR.

 

[johnl]

Yep. A15.23. I don't see an EXC in the Molotov rules.

15.23 WEAPONS USE: A hero may use a non-MG SW as if he were a
leader but applies a -1 DRM to its To Hit or IFT DR.

 

[EagleIV]

Don't forget though that looking for a MOL is use of a SW whichprevents the hero from adding his 1FP to the attack and if he doesn't have a MOL he isn't adding anything to the attack and therefore can't include his -1 heroic DRM to anyone else also firing.

 

[Juan SantaX]

Its VotG 29. The Hero is almost guaranteed a MOL by SSR and it the only one with MOL. Gets the MOL and adds 4fp to the squad and form a FG, but not sure if the -1 DRM, as he is not using its IFP and not a “(support) weapon counter”…

 

[ScottRomanowski]

As @EagleIV wrote, since the hero is using a SW, it can't use its IFP, so no heroic DRM. "Inherent SW" in the Index says "MOL" is an Inherent SW, and A7.352 says s SMC that uses a SW loses its IFP.

 

[Paul John]

That seems wrong since he is in fact 'adding to the fire group with the 4fp of the MOL.

 

[clubby]

That seems wrong since he is in fact 'adding to the fire group with the 4fp of the MOL.

Agreed

15.24 HEROIC DRM: A hero/any FG (even if just another SMC) he is part of (providing the hero is firing at Normal Range of either his inherent FP or his weapon counter) may deduct one from its IFT/CC resolution DR.

If we agree that a molotov is a SW this would seem to apply.

 

[ScottRomanowski]

I overlooked the "weapon counter" when I answered above. Thank you for finding it. However, A15.24 says "counter" and "Normal Range". The Index for Normal Range refers to in A1.22, A9.1, and C2.25. A MOL doesn't have a "Normal Range" nor is it a "counter".

 

[Paul John]

Seems like an oversight. By that argument a hero couldn't affect its PF shot which also seems wrong.

 

[Juan SantaX]

But only if he is using a "counter-less" support weapon.

It looked weird, that's why I asked

 

[Larry]

Seems like an oversight. By that argument a hero couldn't affect its PF shot which also seems wrong.

A15.24 addressed IFT/CC resolution DR.

A15.23 addresses use of non-MG SW. That includes the PF and does not exclude inherent SW. That does not resolve the MOL problem but it does take care of the PF issue.

The index lists four inherent SW: ATMM, MOL, PF, PFk. A MOL against a vehicle does not use the IFT. The ATMM is used in CC. The PF/PFk use the TH in 15.23. MOL as used against soft targets on the IFT is the only problem, AFAIK.