Hatten In Flames available for pre-order

von Marwitz

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yeah but how many more black blob Shermans, Stugs etc does one need. I totally get including what is needed to play in the product but good god what an opportunity MMP is throwing away, and has IMO for years by ignoring the significant percentage of the playing population that cares as much about the counters as they do their maps. MMP does wonderful counters, for every damn game they print BUT for ASL. They can do it, and let me tell you, people will pay out the nose to have good colored, detailed, and evocative counters.
I for one I am happy and glad that the MMP counters are exactly as they are: B/W, no winter, desert, whatsoever camo. Why?
Because I like to have a set of counters that fits - kind of neutral - for every situation. Thus, MMP's are better for my personal taste than any colorful stuff. Then I would have some desert camo tanks in a winter scenario mixed with some winter camo ones, mixed with some "normal" camo ones etc.
The MMP-way, I have one consistent OoB. The other way, at best I have half a dozen of incomplete OoBs in various camo-schemes. The MMP-way, overall I need less counters. The other way, I have way too many if each color-scheme would be complete.

But each to their own.
I reckon you can be happy about it because for that reason people are throwing the money your way.

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I wake up this morning and there's 10 to go!

Has to be close to a record.

85 hours on pre-order and almost there.

C'mon peoples.
 

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If MMP where to supply “winterised” counters with this new HASL there would be a boatload of countersheets in the module. You’d need a whole complement of squads, half squads, leaders, SW, vehicles, ordnance etc etc for two nationalities. This would add to the cost and create endless storage nightmares.
 

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In terms of historical accuracy ... according to American standing orders in this battle, they were instructed not to wear winter camos (smocks etc). With regards to the German OB it was mixed. It was very hard from the research to determine which units had winter camo and which units did not. Andy
 

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One pre-order to go.

I don‘t know for sure, but do special counters exist for CG? If this is true, they have to be included, right? Are these only Location Control markers?

They could have include new game markers, i.e. Prep Fire SW.
 

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One pre-order to go.

I don‘t know for sure, but do special counters exist for CG? If this is true, they have to be included, right? Are these only Location Control markers?
Location-Control/Perimeter counters will surely be included.
 

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Oredred via German retailer Udo Grebe Game Design.
Do preorders from some other places count towards the goal? I'd like to preorder but I'd like to do it from a Eurozone place... (UGG is fine for me, I've had good experience with them)
 

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Do preorders from some other places count towards the goal? I'd like to preorder but I'd like to do it from a Eurozone place... (UGG is fine for me, I've had good experience with them)
It depends.

If I order from UGG, that "preorder" will not count towards the total.
If UGG orders a dozen for his customers, then these will, I suppose.

von Marwitz
 

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It used to be that a retailer order counted as a half (due to lower margin), but that could have changed since.
 

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I don't know what your looking at but I have the CH US Nationality set and I don't see one black blob and I can read them fine. They are just as good as the MMP counters. I just want to set the facts straight for those that haven't seen them.
Here’s what I’m looking at... from CH U.S. nationality set 1, which I purchased just over a year ago.
CH counters are on the left and their MMP counterparts are on the right.
Although I definitely prefer the shade of green on the CH counters, I’ll let the viewers decide if they’re “just as good as the MMP counters”.
Also, please note that I didn’t trim the corners on the M4A3 and M20 counters from either manufacturer so as to give a representation of the die cutting results from each product.

I hope this helps to set the facts straight.
 

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The cover art for Hatten in Flames is really nice, probably one of the best cover art of any ASL module in my opinion. Who made it? Is it the same artist that made the covers of Forgotten War and the other new (second edition) core modules? Those were nice too.
 

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Here’s what I’m looking at... from CH U.S. nationality set 1, which I purchased just over a year ago.
CH counters are on the left and their MMP counterparts are on the right.
Although I definitely prefer the shade of green on the CH counters, I’ll let the viewers decide if they’re “just as good as the MMP counters”.
Also, please note that I didn’t trim the corners on the M4A3 and M20 counters from either manufacturer so as to give a representation of the die cutting results from each product.

I hope this helps to set the facts straight.
Funny, the printing is smaller on the MMP counters! ;)
 

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Here’s what I’m looking at... from CH U.S. nationality set 1, which I purchased just over a year ago.
CH counters are on the left and their MMP counterparts are on the right.
Although I definitely prefer the shade of green on the CH counters, I’ll let the viewers decide if they’re “just as good as the MMP counters”.
Also, please note that I didn’t trim the corners on the M4A3 and M20 counters from either manufacturer so as to give a representation of the die cutting results from each product.

I hope this helps to set the facts straight.
All I see are a bunch of unclipped counters and one lovingly cared for counter. Was I supposed to be looking at something else? -- jim
 

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Good God ... some of you have an unhealthy fixation on an unnamed TPP. The point isn't what others have done. The point is what MMP isn't doing. Yes, some of you could care less about counters. Good for you, what you are missing, and MMP is, is there are however a lot that do. I believe that no matter what others have done, if MMP put as much effort and care into them as they do their other products they would blow what others have done out of the water. Jesus, some of you need to get out more haha

If MMP where to supply “winterised” counters with this new HASL there would be a boatload of countersheets in the module. You’d need a whole complement of squads, half squads, leaders, SW, vehicles, ordnance etc etc for two nationalities. This would add to the cost and create endless storage nightmares.
Not necessarily. As some have pointed out, they like what they have. If they didn't like them, they could chuck 'em, give them away, or putting them on fucking ebay haha. Baby step perhaps. As I said to Andrew a page back, this is a perfect product to try it. Instead of printing off a bunch of Shermans and Stugs that me, you, and the family dog already have scores of, in MMP's particular style, try a sheet of those in winter camo. Once you go white, with actual detail and color in your counter artwork you never go back.

I'd be willing my paycheck they'd be a hit, and get rav reviews. MMP does fricking fabulous counters when not constrained by ASL'rs, I bet they'd look great and many would say. What the hell was a I thinking, these look great on my map, and *gasp* are fun to play with, not merely a tool. Remember man, this is boardgame. If we didn't care about counters (as well as maps/boards) we have jumped ship to computer games years ago.

peace
 

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Good God ... some of you have an unhealthy fixation on an unnamed TPP. The point isn't what others have done. The point is what MMP isn't doing. Yes, some of you could care less about counters. Good for you, what you are missing, and MMP is, is there are however a lot that do. I believe that no matter what others have done, if MMP put as much effort and care into them as they do their other products they would blow what others have done out of the water. Jesus, some of you need to get out more haha



Not necessarily. As some have pointed out, they like what they have. If they didn't like them, they could chuck 'em, give them away, or putting them on fucking ebay haha. Baby step perhaps. As I said to Andrew a page back, this is a perfect product to try it. Instead of printing off a bunch of Shermans and Stugs that me, you, and the family dog already have scores of, in MMP's particular style, try a sheet of those in winter camo. Once you go white, with actual detail and color in your counter artwork you never go back.

peace
The obvious point is - for winterised counters to "work" - that all the potential counters that may be used for each nationality in the HASL must be the same colour (to "look good" and to make sure that concealment works properly - ie all counters in a stack are the same colour). That means every grade of squad, every grade of half squad, concealment counters in both sizes, all 1/2" support weapons, all ordonance, all vehicles etc etc etc. Lots and lots of extra counter sheets that I would guess a whole lot of players don't want (and don't want to pay the extra cost).
The next problem is that Hatten comes with two extra countersheets - I presume for the extra numbers needed for some units. If MMP did supply the "boatload" of extra winterised countersheets then they would still have to supply these extra two sheets in the standard counters so that regular guys (ie non winterised fan boys) could use them.

Lastly, although I am sure MMP can speak for themselves, I bet my bottom dollar they would rather be using their scarce resource/time working on more meaningful projects than "winterising" counters!
 
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