Gun Duels and Motion Attempts

[dur]

C2.2401 states: "Any CA change the DEFENDER requires in order to shoot (5.11) is made before the ATTACKER's shot if the DEFENDER'S total Gun Duel DRM is ≤ the ATTACKER's; otherwise its CA changes (if still able to) after the ATTACKER's shot"

If the DEFENDER's CA change entails making a Motion Attempt, is the DEFENDER's AFV considered a Moving Vehicular Target if the ATTACKER takes his shot first when the DEFENDER's DRM are higher than the ATTACKER's?

 

[jrv]

I'm a bit confused here. A Gun Duel is made by the ATTACKER on a DFF attack by the DEFENDER [C2.2401] (ignoring DEFENDER Gun Duels). If the DEFENDER is declaring a Motion attempt, he is not declaring a DFF attack, and a Gun Duel is not possible on declaration of a Motion Attempt.

JR

 

[dur]

Oh, duh. So the Motion attempt happens first, and then he declares his DFF in response to which I can declare a Gun Duel. Since they are separate actions, he would be considered in Motion upon the declaration of his shot and consequently upon the declaration of my Gun Duel too.

Not sure why I was thinking they would happen at the same time.

Thanks!

 

[Vinnie]

Sequence is Attacked spends a MP.
Defender decides whether to go for motion or smoke discharger.
This succeeds or fails prior to any shot by either.
The defender makes reliability rolls and can change .CA at this point and also makes bog checks for this now.

Defender decides whether to fire on attacker.
Attacker declares a gun duel.
If the defender wins the gun duel then he will have to make bog checks or reliability rolls prior to the attackers shot.
If the attacker wins the gun duel then his shot takes place prior yo the defender changing CA.

 

[Paul John]

Sequence is Attacked spends a MP.
Defender decides whether to go for motion or smoke discharger.
This succeeds or fails prior to any shot by either.
The defender makes reliability rolls and can change .CA at this point and also makes bog checks for this now.

Reviving this as I was just looking in the rules and can't find anything talking about this sequence. Would appreciate a rules number.

 

[Sparafucil3]

Reviving this as I was just looking in the rules and can't find anything talking about this sequence. Would appreciate a rules number.

I don't have my rule book but the Attacker can only declare a Gun Duel when the Defender declares a D1F shot. A Motion attempt is not a declaration of a shot so the Attacker cannot declare a Gun Duel. This is all in the Gun Duel rules. -- jim

 

[Paul John]

That part makes sense. I am less sure about the smoke discharger as the rules say that is not a weapon but treated as first fire,
so I wonder if it can trigger a gun duel.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

That part makes sense. I am less sure about the smoke discharger as the rules say that is not a weapon but treated as first fire, so I wonder if it can trigger a gun duel.

Per this Q&A, No....

C2.2401, D13.3 & C5.35 Is the fact that a Smoke Dispenser attempt is described as “firing”
sufficient to permit the opponent's declaration of a Gun Duel (C2.2401, C5.33) vs. that usage
attempt, assuming that the other conditions for a Gun Duel are met?
A. No. [Letter265]

 

[Vinnie]

Additionally, you can only declare a gun duel against a weapon tgat is attacking the moving unit. You move your halftrack up and I declare a shot with my squad, you cannot gun duel me to fire at my gun, only at my squad.
Since the sD does not target your unit....

 

[Larry]

D2.2401 --- "at that DEFENDER."

 

[Paul John]

Thanks, that makes sense and luckily enough is how I have been playing it.

 

[Doug Leslie]

If an enemy AFV hoves into view and stops during its MPh, is there any reason why a friendly AFV cannot make a motion attempt and try for a smoke discharger simultaneously?

 

[Sparafucil3]

If an enemy AFV hoves into view and stops during its MPh, is there any reason why a friendly AFV cannot make a motion attempt and try for a smoke discharger simultaneously?

Assuming you meet all the requirements for both, you may indeed try for both. -- jim