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If a concealed infantry unit recovers a Gun (not in concealment terrain with no LOS from enemy units), is the Gun concealed?

It makes no sense the crew would be concealed and the Gun not concealed. I do not see anywhere in the rules that the Gun gains concealment in this case.

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Jeff
 

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Guns by themselves can't be concealed, of course. A manned gun gains concealment as do other units. My recollection is that if it is not manned by a crew, then it cannot be considered emplaced, and thus loses concealment more easily than a crew-manned gun.
 

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Pitman said:
Guns by themselves can't be concealed, of course. A manned gun gains concealment as do other units. My recollection is that if it is not manned by a crew, then it cannot be considered emplaced, and thus loses concealment more easily than a crew-manned gun.
"C11.2.....A Gun can never be Emplaced on a paved road, bridge, runway, Rooftop, or in Bamboo and does not receive the +2 TEM while manned by a squad."

A full squad cannot claim the +2 TEM, but a half squad could.
 

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during the '?'-growth portion of your CCPh, the Gun will be placed under the '?' counter in accordance with the A12.121 Concealment Loss/Gain Table. In your case, look at the table in the right-hand column(no one in LOS), the third row down (Vehicle/Unemplaced Gun): if case K is met, the Gun is concealed.

Yes, in the meantime, the manning Infantry and Gun have a different status. . .if Recovered in your MPh, this won't last long; if Recovered in your opponent's RPh, he's got a chance to make your life a little more difficult :devil:

Also, notice the case for losing '?' of this Gun(case H): if in LOS of KEU(ground unit), it's automatic; move the Gun out of there or figure out which is more important: concealment for this Infantry unit or possession of this Gun. If the Infantry is merely in OG and concealed, the '?' loss isn't automatic; if they're manning the Gun, '?'-loss is.
 
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Gun Concealment

If the recovering unit is a Russian (or Italian) Squad, may it deploy upon gaining possession ?
 

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Gun Concealment

Georgii2222 said:
"C11.2.....A Gun can never be Emplaced on a paved road, bridge, runway, Rooftop, or in Bamboo and does not receive the +2 TEM while manned by a squad."

A full squad cannot claim the +2 TEM, but a half squad could.
NRBH, but I thought somewhere a rule said that only a crew could claim the
emplacement TEM--i.e. that not even a HS could.
 

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Phil Palmer said:
NRBH, but I thought somewhere a rule said that only a crew could claim the
emplacement TEM--i.e. that not even a HS could.
That rule refers to Gunshield DRM:

"11.5 Gunshields:[font=Helvetica,Arial] All AT and INF Guns have gunshields which help protect their manning crew. A gunshield helps protect the Good Order manning crew (only) of a Gun from most attacks which originate within its current CA. Other Infantry in the same hex, even if serving as an ad hoc crew, receive no benefit from the gunshield."[/font]
 

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Jean52 said:
If the recovering unit is a Russian (or Italian) Squad, may it deploy upon gaining possession ?
A20.5(guards)and 21.22(temporary veh. 'crews') are the only exceptions listed for Russian deployment, so the answer is 'no'.
 
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