Grudge Rules as Tournament Rules

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unlimited APCR SSR rule sucked I got burned figuratively by it
I guess I could see some grudge rules used if they reflected an actual event maybe a tank FT had a great day during the battle etc. What I mean if something historically happened it could be represented by occasional SSRs
 

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those casino dice are designed to be used in a very specific manner and on a very specific table design. The size and sharp corner edges are to increase the amount of random deflections and spin when contact a padded felt surface. Each surface contacted decreases the ability to use throwing manipulation sleight of hand tricks to influence the outcome. That’s why the ‘must contact two surfaces at a minimum’ rule exists.
when used in dice tower or free rolled the casino dice do not perform as designed and can be manipulated.
LMFAO!! What sh!t do you not know about? 🤔
 

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Robin Reeve do not attend tournaments, but I agree he should run his own event together with Mark P and Bruce P.
I would encourage any player or players to run an event. It's quite educational and can be rather rewarding.

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Because they're objectively stupid rules?

No, really, they are. They have NOTHING to do with "balance". It's all about "I don't like that, I'm in charge, so screw what anyone else might think, I'm enforcing this so ha ha ha you suck I'm the best."
Be more specific and explain your thoughts about the 7 Tournament Rules. I will respond to each of your take down of the T-rule that is better rules than the original rules.
 

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Well you could always run your own event. Just sayin'.😘
I would, but there are nearly no players in my neck of the woods.
And my "pastoral" agenda reduces my disponibility during weekends quite a lot.
 
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Robin Reeve do not attend tournaments, but I agree he should run his own event together with Mark P and Bruce P.
I did attend one, when it took place near enough to me. And as said hereabove, free weekends are not always easy to find.
 

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those casino dice are designed to be used in a very specific manner and on a very specific table design. The size and sharp corner edges are to increase the amount of random deflections and spin when contact a padded felt surface. Each surface contacted decreases the ability to use throwing manipulation sleight of hand tricks to influence the outcome. That’s why the ‘must contact two surfaces at a minimum’ rule exists.
when used in dice tower or free rolled the casino dice do not perform as designed and can be manipulated.
So with a large enough dice tower with a felt covered interior and hard tray the sharp cornered dice will be superior to round cornered dice, and especially so if 16 mm or 14 mm. And you will reduce the problem of cocked dice (perhaps completely).
 

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VEHICLES: Vehicle Crews can never gain Control of Terrain

I like this one as it makes sense. and I think the crew of a destroyed vehicle should be under recall as well. Such crews would tend to leave the battlefield rather than fight unless forced. and using them to control a building especially... (unless it's on their way exiting the board) seems imho to be ahistorical.
This whole thread, which I find very enjoyable, seems to be about clashing philosophies. Gamers versus historical realists.

Gamers may look to " game " the system. After all it isn't reality, it's a game. If the rules don't disallow an action then performing that action is acceptable. They concentrate on what the rules allow with scant regard for historical accuracy. The flavor of history is sufficient or disregarded entirely.

Historical realists see ASL as a simulation of reality. They abhor the manipulation of the rules that the Original Designers never anticipated and gamers may seek out. Sleaze, as it were. ASL is probably the most accurate simulation of WWII combat, equipment and nationalities that exists and such unrealistic actions are flaws that the system would be better without.

Fish and I were predominantly gamers who liked the historical flavor the system offers but were not wedded to it by any stretch of the imagination. Our frequent forays into DYO were where we let imagination run wild and just played with the game. It was sheer bliss and utterly inaccurate. Fun as he'll though.

The point is that the game is there to be played with and enjoyed. Whatever you are looking for ASL either already has or you can give it. Will everyone like any changes you may care to make? Absolutely not and it would be irrational to think otherwise. Who cares? Run your ideas up the flagpole and see how many people salute. SSRs, tournament formats or whatever you like. It all contributes to the game and that's what is really important.

Btw I have routed forward but my sense of direction sucks.😉
 
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I would, but there are nearly no players in my neck of the woods.
And my "pastoral" agenda reduces my disponibility during weekends quite a lot.
There is always VASL. I believe I have heard that the Lord helps those who help themselves.😘
 

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I was reminded that Oktoberfest did have some tournament rules regarding HtH combat. Units sharing an Entrenchment had to use it and perhaps Beserkers.
 

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I am correct then, I wrote Tournament(s)
Have it your way.
Note that the debate about implementing general modifications of the game rules that apply to all scenarios is quite remote from the idea of contesting the value of TD and the pain it takes to organise a tournament.
I am afraid that you are leaning, again, towards an argument of authority, rather than adressing the question.

Oh, IRL, I would adapt to the rules and regulations of a tourney.
But I would feel free to question some choices – because, you know, nobody is unfallible.
 

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At an event if two attendees agree to not abide by the TD's SSR in their scenario should the " mutually agreed upon " clause in the ASLRB override the TDs rule?
Yes. These rules are only in there when there is a dispute. If both players decide to use rock paper scissors to pass morale checks, that's up to them. If one wants to and the other does not, then the TD will point to the tournament rules.
 

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VEHICLES: Vehicle Crews can never gain Control of Terrain

I like this one as it makes sense. and I think the crew of a destroyed vehicle should be under recall as well. Such crews would tend to leave the battlefield rather than fight unless forced. and using them to control a building especially... (unless it's on their way exiting the board) seems imho to be ahistorical.
This is one I disagree with. The CS number reflects more the willingness of a crew to stay in the battle rather than getting out than it does the survivability of the tank.



This is one reason I'd prefer to see Japanese vehicles have a higher Cs number. Their crews were expected to fight as infantry. Especially where the tank was on an island with no possibility of replacement.
 

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...The CS number reflects more the willingness of a crew to stay in the battle rather than getting out than it does the survivability of the tank.
The rule, C5.6, sort of indicates otherwise:
"On the wreck side of each vehicle is a CS# representing an abstracted calculation of the crew size and its chance to escape its vehicle sufficiently intact to still represent a viable unit on the battlefield."
 

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My interpretation was that most crews survived the "loss" of an AFV that was no longer effective on the battlefield. Even when a vehicle is turned into a burning wreck it was likely the policy of "keep firing until it burns" rather than a catastrophic first round kill. This doesn't mean you had complete five man crews running around on the battlefield creating mischief, but rather there would be a few guys carrying one or two wounded guys off the battlefield after the loss of their AFV. There are all sorts of numbers floating around but being a WW2 tank crew in the US Army in Europe was a reasonably safe career choice compared to the PBI. I therefore expect Japanese crews to be more "mischievious".
 
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