Grudge Rules as Tournament Rules

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The main drawback with cup is the slower play, compared to two Dice-towers, real ASL players use two Dice-towers (four during Campaign games) and it will not help to speed up play by using two cups.

The annoying part with cups (especially small) are when player sometimes, touch the dice after the roll with the cup when lifting it up or slam the cup (i.e, try to play faster), then still lift them up slowly to avoid touching the dice.

Also how players use the dice in the cup and flip it onto a mousepad is not allowed at Backgammon tournaments, there is plenty more Action when they roll with a cup (see youtube), as with a Dice-tower/Baffel-box.

Another Backgammon rule

3.2 Cups

If they are available, a player can demand that cups with an interior lip are used in preference to those without an interior lip. If cups with an interior lip are available only after the match starts, a player can demand that the cups in use are replaced at that time.

TD can also demand a player to roll the cup into a baffel box If the player do not shake the dice in the cup enough before each roll.
 

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I can only imagine the outcome of setting up my Windows tablet on it's stand facing the board so both players can see and running VASL and rolling dice from random.org and then making the stats available after the game.
 

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TIL that while Mere Mortals are dropping dice, Fort is experiencing life at a 20x frame rate.
 

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TIL that while Mere Mortals are dropping dice, Fort is experiencing life at a 20x frame rate.
Still trying to assimilate the fact that someone would have the fortitude (see what I did there?) to record over 7000 dice rolls - on just that one pair of dice.
 

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Still trying to assimilate the fact that someone would have the fortitude (see what I did there?) to record over 7000 dice rolls - on just that one pair of dice.
It wasn't easy.
Although, I bet you'd be surprised at how few a number of scenarios/CG's it takes to get to that number...
 

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Still trying to assimilate the fact that someone would have the fortitude (see what I did there?) to record over 7000 dice rolls - on just that one pair of dice.
In fact, I rolled my "Avalon Hill out of the BV box" dice, which I habitually use, only 1000 times to test them. They performed within the range of statistic expectations. Somewhere in this forum, I have documented that years ago...

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Look at these dice. Pic from ASLOK, swiped from Curt's FB post. Euro heads will explode. View attachment 30256
Plexiglass precludes precision LOS measurement, so playing directly on the mapboards is not only ok but a necessity. ;)

But what impresses me most is something else:

30258

See these impressive jars full of counter clippings!

If you roll your dice in there, there will be no annoying rattling whatsoever. That's the apex of ingeniuety in the field of dice jars.

The effect will be somewhat jarred (sic!) by the sound of the vacuum cleaner required to suck up the clippings after each rolling, but I am sure, there will be an overengineered German solution for that soon.

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Plexiglass precludes precision LOS measurement, so playing directly on the mapboards is not only ok but a necessity. ;)

But what impresses me most is something else:

View attachment 30258

See these impressive jars full of counter clippings!

If you roll your dice in there, there will be no annoying rattling whatsoever. That's the apex of ingeniuety in the field of dice jars.

The effect will be somewhat jarred (sic!) by the sound of the vacuum cleaner required to suck up the clippings after each rolling, but I am sure, there will be an overengineered German solution for that soon.

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I agree with you - personally I hate Plexi but that seems to be "the standard" with all the ftf players I've met over here.
 

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I agree with you - personally I hate Plexi but that seems to be "the standard" with all the ftf players I've met over here.
When playing FtF, I am using "bare" mapboards if there are no altering Terrain SSR.
If there are altering Terrain SSR or Overlays, I use printed out VASL maps.

Which means in practice, that for FtF I am mostly playing on printouts.

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Which means in practice, that for FtF I am mostly playing on printouts.

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Which is a decision all it's own..... I've played on some big boards where the LOS line on VASL and physical boards yield different results (not the VASL LOS engine but Mk I eyeball).

Not really an issue for me. You string LOS on what you are playing on....but some folks are bothered by that.

<shrug>
 

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Same here - you string LOS on what you are playing on.
No way am I moving all of those stacks out of the way so your fat fingers can strong a Los. We string on VASL.

While we're at it put down that big olé ASLRB, we check rules in html.

Where we're going we don't need paper.
 

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Funny story #214: Club meeting and both players bring boards for LOS checks on the second set. Game in progress and long LOS needs to be stringed so reach for the second set, but we're playing on my old original hard boards (because they are so very cool) and my opponent is going to pull out his latest thin boards. Yeah, no.
 
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