Goliath becomes a Burning Wreck and explodes. Does +2 effects DRM apply?

Hipsu

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Let me quote some Goliath vehicle note rules:
...If a Goliath becomes a Burning Wreck or is detonated, it explodes in the same manner as 36 FP Placed DC attack...
Also repeated later:
...if destroyed such that it would have become a Burning Wreck if it had wreck capability, it instead automatically detonates.

But then there's this rule (detonating outside AFPh):
Alternatively, a Goliath can be detonated at any time during another friendly fire phase, provided the above-mentioned controller conditions are met; such use incurs a +2 effects DRM (regardless of whether or not the Goliath/target are moving/in Motion).


The question is: If a Goliath explodes outside a friendly fire phase (because it became a burning wreck), does the +2 DRM apply?
 

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I think the +2 DRM that you refer to does apply to the attack resolution of the detonating Goliath.

The Goliath does never leave a wreck/burning wreck. It is basically a large DC on tracks but much much smaller than a tank or even a Jeep. If it blows up, nothing remains.

View attachment 45182

This thing was loaded with 50 or 60kg (110 - 130 lbs.) of explosives. What could conceivably be left after it detonated in the ways of a wreck? :bite:
As a comparison: A typical German anti-tank mine of WW2 had around 5 kg of explosives.

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The Goliath does never leave a wreck/burning wreck.
Yeah, I knew that already though, but thanks for the extra info and the picture! :) I just used the term the same way the actual vehicle note does, i.e. it explodes if it could've become a burning wreck. But my question doesn't have much to do with that other than I think it's the only way for it to be detonated outside a friendly fire phase. And the +2 DRM seems to apply only during a friendly fire phase... I myself lean towards it not applying...
 

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Detonating it is not the same as turning it into a burning wreck. The +2 applies only to "controlled" or "voluntary" detonation not to it going up. in ablaze of glory.
 

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