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I have a few screenshots here to go with a more complete description of the Battle of Great Yarmouth and the related actions. Everything started on Jan 23, when the Scouting Force was sent to patrol off Dunkirque. At 2040, they spotted a column of destroyers and engaged, sinking twelve DDs for the cost of one DD. This one casualty was due to friendly fire from the secondary battery of a BC that continued to fire at a sinking ship. After this encounter, Seydlitz and two CLs were detached to run through the channel and raid merchant shipping on the west coast of Britain and Ireland. The remainder which stayed behind encountered a second force of small craft at around 0415, and by 0525 they had sunk eight more DDs while losing five DDs (I pressed "end battle" when all enemy ships on the screen were sinking, but a final one showed up immediately after I pressed the button and infilcted ridiculous casualties. Lesson learned: never use "end battle" for any reason). As the sun rose on the 24th at around 0700, the Seydlitz and her escorts sighted a force led by a French AC that had chased them through the channel. The AC put a shell into one of my CLs (slowing it by two knots) before they all turned and ran. Seydlitz turned to pursue and landed some heavy blows on a DD which sank early in the four and a half hour chase. The AC was caught and sunk shortly before noon, but so much ammo was spent that I ordered Seydlitz home. In hindsight after seeing ammunition levels in the fleet battle that followed, I think she probably could have stayed out and been fine. On the way back through the Channel she bagged another CL and a DD at 1430.

I ordered the HSF out as far as Yarmouth to cover the retreat of Seydlitz and the SF. Looking back, I did not need them to go that far, and it allowed the GF to catch me in the next day. The Battle of Great Yarmouth began at 2015, as the HSF neared their destination when my scouting DDs encountered two columns of CLs. I lost six of my DDs while bringing my predreads into play. I had sunk the 5th Cruiser Division earlier in the month with my predreads, and was impressed with how they could withstand the gunfire from the CLs (they are battleships, after all). The old BBs were able to sink five of the CLs handily before the British retreated. I realized I had been fighting the BCF, and decided to push hard to get to the British BCs. My scouting DDs encountered the BCF again at 0045 on January 25. I lost another five DDs while pulling them back to the old BBs and only sank two CLs in return. At this point I rearranged my formation. Although I had pulled my forces in close together at nightfall, I was only finding CLs in the front of the British formation which decimated my scouting DDs. I put the DDs in back with the old BBs in front to fight the British cruisers with the modern BBs held in reserve for the fight ahead. I got to test my idea when I encountered the BCF again at 0245, and the difference was obvious. I sank an AC, a CL, and twelve DDs. The only damage I took was a torpedo hit on two old BBs (I could have avoided them if I'd been paying attention) that dropped their top speed by two knots and slowed the cruising speed of the whole task force.

After this battle, I sighted the GF on the campaign map and started to run. In a brief engagement in the pre-dawn murk at 0630 I sank an AC and three CLs northwest of Amsterdam that were too close when the sky began to grow light. At 1140 the daylight fleet action began when four BCs came within range of the HSF. Fortunately for me, the British engaged me piecemeal, with only a small part of the fleet in combat at any one time. The BCs were all alone, so I formed a line heading northwest to cross the T and quickly sank these four, although one of my DDs was nailed by a miss and sank. Before I could disengage, the three QEs attacked and stayed at long range while a chunk of ten or twelve BBs came up. I pulled a battle turn (I was getting too far west) and engaged the main line on a reciprocal course at 10-12km range. Both sides took damage, but the British caught the worst of it, losing a couple dreadnoughts (including Dreadnought herself, IIRC) while two of mine took heavy damage. As the British main line fell into confusion after Superb exploded, I began to pull back and focus fire on the QEs which pressed on. Barham exploded and the others were sunk by 1600, but Kaiser was lost, Prinzregent Luitpold only had her two wing turrets operational, and most ships in the line were damaged and running low on ammo. While pulling back, the British sent some light forces forward while I sent CL Rostock back to keep a watchful eye on them. My battleships managed to explode an AC, but the British scored a lucky long range hit on Rostock which eventually slowly doomed her. The British also sank a straggling DD as the bloody red sky darkened into a very bloody night.

Apparently the watchmen on both sides a bit sleepy after the battle earlier because six British CLs appeared in the middle of my DD formation as a new battle began at 1720, only five minutes after the last one ended. As they began to devastate the light forces I had worked hard to preserve, my old BBs opened up to exact revenge while a couple Brit ACs appeared at the edge of the formation and added to the suffering of my DDs. Although four of the CLs were sunk by my BBs and one was blown up by a torpedo, the CLs scored torpedo hits on Schleiswig Holstein and Deutchland and caused massive damage to my DDs. To make matters worse, the ACs managed to keep out of reach of the BBs and still pick off my DDs while I tried to pull back and reorganize. Then, Hessen, which had been separated in a botched turn and was way out of position, spotted gunflashes from Grand Fleet looming out of the darkness and took heavy hits while turning as fast as possible to escape. Fortunately my battle line was nearby and caught the attention of the British dreadnoughts, many of which had suffered damage during the battle in the day. The Brits turned directly for my fleet, forming an L shape for the critical exchange of gunfire, while my line stayed straight and crossed the T of the leading enemy ships. In the following brutal exchange of close range fire and torpedoes, I sank every single British battleship at heavy cost. Since my kaisers were out of ammo and my Konigs had taken damage, I had my Helgolands in the lead. The first of my casualties was Markgraf, which exploded. Next up was Thuringen, which took a series of heavy hits at the waterline from King George V and rolled over quickly. Helgoland's rudder was jammed to port and she took fire from the ships in the back of the line. Grosser Kurfurst took heavy fire from Iron Duke and she succumbed to flooding at the end of the battle. Ostfriesland, at the head of the line, somehow evaded heavy damage from the BBs, but took a torpedo from a group of destroyers and almost brought her flooding under control when the battle ended. There was one final encounter a couple minutes later, where I sank a few more DDs, but the British backed off and I escaped into the night, returning to Wilhelmshaven at 0216 on January 26.

The final butchers bill and score card shows that the Scouting Force sank 1AC, 1CL, and 22DD while losing only 6DD, mostly due to the "end battle" button. The High Seas Fleet sank 17BB, 4BC, 5AC, 19CL, 1CV, and 58DD. They paid the heavy price of 10BB (7 dreadnoughts and 3 predreads), 1CL, and 36DD. While the Scouting Force was battling, the score shifted from British+ to ++, then to +++, but once the High Seas Fleet returned to base the score was German+.

About how long does it take to repair a heavily damaged battleship? I know I'm going to be out of action for a long time, but I'd like to get some idea since this is my first time returning with capital ships that need major work done.
 

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1) The daylight engagement. Look at the map in the corner and see the three blue lines. One is BBs in the middle of two lines with CLs and DDs. Also look at the mess behind the main British line, where reinforcements are getting tangled up in destroyers. This is part of why the British only engaged me with part of the Grand Fleet and why i was able to survive and inflict horrendous casualties.
2) A view from Prinzregent Luitpold showing damaged turrets and Kaiser still fighting the QEs. Kaiser was eventually lost due to damage from the QEs.
3) The opening of the final night battle, with a BB firing on a brit CL surrounded by German DDs.
4) One of the CLs was blown up by a torpedo from this DD.
5) My line and the British L shape.
6) Iron Duke scores 10 hits in the bow of Grosser Kurfurst while King George V sinks.
 

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Wow! Quite a fight ;). Beautiful pics, too.

About how long does it take to repair a heavily damaged battleship? I know I'm going to be out of action for a long time, but I'd like to get some idea since this is my first time returning with capital ships that need major work done.
There's no way to know beforehand because the time is variable. However, it might take several months or even longer, depending on what's wrong. Things that take a long time to fix are high levels of permanent flooding damage, propulsion damage, and destroyed heavy turrets.
 

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The Brits turned directly for my fleet, forming an L shape for the critical exchange of gunfire, while my line stayed straight and crossed the T of the leading enemy ships.
I really wonder why the AI does such things.
 

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I really wonder why the AI does such things.
It may be that not all of my main line was visible. Their line had been sighted by some of my other ships, so I knew roughly where it was, whereas I surprised them with my force. I never got to see what their full intention was, since I launched a volley of torpedoes that split them up moments after that screenshot.

Wow! Quite a fight ;). Beautiful pics, too.

There's no way to know beforehand because the time is variable. However, it might take several months or even longer, depending on what's wrong. Things that take a long time to fix are high levels of permanent flooding damage, propulsion damage, and destroyed heavy turrets.
While I'd done a couple DD vs DD battles at night, this series of engagements was my first time really doing a night battle. That last one against the GF in particular was absolutely stunning, and really gave a sense of the chaos of night. I may go back to one of my saves and film it. On the battle damage front, it seems half my surviving modern BBs will be out of action for a long time (Prinzregent Luitpold in particular had only one turret operational and heavy flooding by the end of it all). I'll have to see what I can do with my BCs, old BBs, and CLs.
 

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Thanks to some great advice, I've been working on a lively mining campaign from Dover to Lowestoft with three destroyer flotillas, a light cruiser flotilla, and the submarine minelayers. I've sailed mostly unopposed in the first part of February (sinking the occasional lone DD). I have not yet gone past Dover to Dieppe or Le Havre, but I may soon. Two of my BCs and CLs have made the dash through the channel to raid british merchant shipping on the far side of the island, and they have made quite a haul. They've gotten nine cargo ships in seven days, while my channel squadrons nabbed another four. Derfflinger finished repairs from a torpedo hit early in January (a week before my encounter with the GF), and about half of the damaged ships in the HSF are fully repaired, though the modern ships are dragging their feet. For the past two days my minelaying forces have been stymied by the Dover monitors, whose big guns and strong escorts prevent me from sailing as freely as I would like. Every time I run into them, I think about taking them in a straight fight. I also think about the loses I would incur, and I like having my minelayers laying mines instead of laying on the bottom with some monitors keeping them company. It's now February 10, and so far this month I've lost three minelaying destroyers to sink two big monitors with torpedoes and a third sunk by mines. I've also eviscerated a number of destroyers, mostly in singles except for a group of four I hunted down last night. There may be a fight when I bring my raiders back home through the channel. I'm planning to send out what I can of the HSF to cover their return and possibly scare off the monitors, but I'll be careful not to stay out too long, which is why I got caught by the GF last time.
 

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IIRC the monitors are about the slowest things that the Brits can put in the water. If I were your BC raiders, I'd just outmanuever the lot of them and kill off their escorts if they turned to pursue. I wouldn't chance losing the HSF piecemeal to an ersatz British TF. Better to fully repair and sail out for a jaunty time of minelaying and shore bombarding with the whole HSF than to send out a weakened TF to run into something like the 1st and 3d BSs.

Or if your BC raiding parties can form together, you can outmanuever them at night and engage them at long range during the day, where your odds of hurting them without getting hit with reprisals are good. Bring your BCs home and sortie a strong TF to wipe out the monitors later.
 

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I've started playing my campaign again. In order to cover the return of my BC raiders I sent out the undamaged portions of my fleet to Hull and had them rendezvous with my light forces from the Belgian ports (that's where my few survivors were operating). I found that my Zeppelins failed to perform their task when my scouts spotted a CL, which could not be part of the local patrol. I engaged the BCF that I found and have just found the survivors from the earlier Battle of Great Yarmouth. My capital ships are 5BB, 4OBB, 2BC. I face first 6BC, then about an hour later, 8BB. I only got through the battle with the BCF and will fight the GF tomorrow.
 
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Gascan,
Sounds like it should be a great battle! Can't wait for the details and screenshots!
Could you name the capital ships that you have present, and those you know of the enemy?

DS!
 
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Wow! Quite a fight ;). Beautiful pics, too.



There's no way to know beforehand because the time is variable. However, it might take several months or even longer, depending on what's wrong. Things that take a long time to fix are high levels of permanent flooding damage, propulsion damage, and destroyed heavy turrets.
Ouch, I guess Petropavlovsk will be out of action for a while, as fire damaged her propulsion quite a bit! That's in my current Russian campaign.

Sorry about the off topic!
 

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February 13, 1916
Sky: Fair
Rain/Haze/Fog: None
Visibility: 27.8km and increasing to 36km
Wind: 1kt West Northwest
Sea State 1, Waves <1m

The depleted HSF and SF are both out to cover the return of my two battle cruisers which had been raiding from Plymouth to Liverpool. The SF consists of Derflinger, Von Der Tann, five light cruisers, and a flotilla of destroyers (I'm VERY low on these since the slaughter during the night at Great Yarmouth). The HSF consists of dreadnoughts Konig Albert, Westfalen, Rheinland, Posen, and Kronprinz, the predreadnoughts Preussen, Hannover, Schlesien, and Pommern, six light cruisers, and three destroyer flotillas.

At 0741, the Scouting Force spotted CL Birkenhead about 65km WNW of Hull. Since there were no known CLs on regular patrol in this area, I knew it was a larger force and turned to investigate. As the sun rose, it revealed battle cruisers Australia, New Zealand, Indefatigable, Invincible, Indomitable, Inflexible, AC Devonshire, two or three CLs, and a large bundle of DDs. At around 0853, as the action with the Battle Cruiser Force was wrapping up, a destroyer flotilla reported smoke on the horizon to the north which was identified as AC Black Prince. This could only be the Grand Fleet. Further scouting revealed Marlborough, Vanguard, Hercules, Agincourt, Colossus, Collingwood, Neptune, Saint Vincent, two more ACs, and another bundle of DDs.

At the moment (0927), the only surviving British BC is Indomitable. One of Derflingers turrets is destroyed, and one was damaged but has been repaired. One of Von Der Tann's turrets has been damaged and she has extensive flooding on her port side. She'll sit out the rest of the battle and make it home, but will be in the yard for some time afterward. My battleships are about to engage their British counterparts. Unfortunately, school is preventing me from playing much during the week, so you may have to wait until the weekend for me to finish the battle and prepare a proper battle report and screenshots.

I haven't played much since February, and it seems like there have been some big changes in the AI. It seems much happier to hold the range open around 10-15km, rather than charge in head first like it used to in the beginning (I have screenshots of ships practically playing bumper-boats from one of the first versions). I like the improvement!
 
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I haven't played much since February, and it seems like there have been some big changes in the AI. It seems much happier to hold the range open around 10-15km, rather than charge in head first like it used to in the beginning (I have screenshots of ships practically playing bumper-boats from one of the first versions). I like the improvement!
So they are fighting more like Jellicoe, and less like Nelson!

Thanks for the great report! I too, found myself a bit depleted as far as destroyers.

Looks like there won't be much of a BCF until Repulse and Renown show up!
And still not a lot, even then.

Good luck this weekend against the remainder of the Grand Fleet!

DS!
 

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Last night I reduced the enemy battle line to Collingwood, Agincourt, and Vanguard, and still have yet to lose more than DD B109 (rudder got jammed by a lucky shot at about 5km). Still, her loss was not in vain: she was part of a torpedo attack that heavily damaged Marlborough and disrupted their battle line long enough for me to disengage Posen, which had moderate fires and needed a short break to control damage. My dreadnoughts' ammunition is nearly out and my predreadnoughts already ran dry, but their surviving battleships have all taken a thumping and cannot keep up when I decide to disengage. My CLs are working on sending their DDs to Davey Jones (11DD), but not before Konig Albert took a single minor torpedo hit. It is now 1130 and I am just about spent on this battle. I'll break off soon and finish off any survivors at a later date. A number of ships have moderate flooding and damaged and destroyed weapons, and will need time in the yard before they are ready to fight again. The good news is that the battle has prevented me from fighting bunches of annoying single DDs during my channel dash to bring Seydlitz and Moltke home after their raiding run.
 

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You seem a bit reckless with your ships. Personally I don't like losing any of my BC's or BB's under any circumstance. What I like to do is whittle down the British numbers. Sink a couple of Brit capital ships and then run away before damage becomes too much on my ships or before the rest of the Grand Fleet can engage. In all of my campaigns as the Germans at most I've lost 2 Dreadnoughts and 1 BC. I'm like the Kaiser I guess.
 

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OK, there are some screeshots up in the screenshot thread. The first shows the BCF under bombardment. The second shows the BCF returning fire. The third shows the glory of the British Empire going up in sheets of smoke and flame. The fourth shows some German predreadnoughts in action. The fifth shows five German dreadnoughts, the only ones ready for action since the Battle of Great Yarmouth, charging ahead. The sixth shows a German torpedo attack (see my note about torpedoes). The last screenshot shows Von Der Tann in a desperate, close range knife-fight against Shannon and Defence (sinking).

There are two things I noticed in this battle that I'm curious about. I put Shannon in sinking condition, then she suffered an ammo explosion. Since she was already sinking, the explosion had no effect on her, and she continued to fire at me. The other thing was the torpedoes did not maintain their momentum when they left the tubes. Shouldn't the torpedoes keep moving at the same speed as the ship and stay in line with the tubes until they hit the water?

Firestorm, you're right: I have been rather reckless, and I've lost ships because of it. But I chose to play this campaign very aggressively, and I'm learning how aggressive I can be.
 

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Some of my last few posts on this thread have been about an engagement I call the Battle of Hull. One post gives a good look at what I was thinking about as the battle moved into it's penultimate stage, but doesn't give the full story. I took a bunch of screenshots and notes, and I thought it was time to write something up about it. I'll start with the time leading up to the battle.

In early February, Seydlitz and Motlke, escorted by CL Regensburg and Elbing, sortie through the English Channel to raid shipping on the west coast of Britain. CruRon1, consisting of Pillau, Stralsund, Graudenz, and Wiesbaden operates out of Zeebruge and Oostende with four flotillas of minelaying destroyers and the old torpedo boats. The SF consists solely of Derfflinger and Von Der Tann. The HSF consists of one Konig, one Kaiser, three Oldenburgs, four predreadnoughts, five cruisers, and one flotilla of DDs. I also have a Konig, three Kaisers, Oldenburg, and Nassau left behind due to damage from the earlier Battle of Great Yarmouth.

Feb 3
S&M - 3 TB in the Channel

Feb 4
S&M - 1 CS SW of Plymouth
S&M split up with 1 CL each, M stays near Plymouth, S sails north to Liverpool
M - 1 CS W of Plymouth
S - 1 TB SW of Pembroke
S - 1 TB N of Pembroke
M - 1 CS S of Plymouth

Feb 5
M - 1 CS SW of Plymouth
M - 1 CS SW of Plymouth
CruRon1 - 1 CS N of Dover
CruRon1 - 1 CS in Southend
IV Flot - 1 CS NW of Esbjerg
CruRon1 - 1 CS SE of Lowestoft
M - 1 CS SW of Plymouth
M - 1 CS SW of Plymouth

Feb 6
S moves south to Pembroke

Feb 7
S - 1 TB N of Pembroke
M - 1 CS SW of Plymouth

Feb 8
M - 1 CS SW of Plymouth

Feb 9
nothing of significance

Feb 10
M - 2 CS SW of Plymouth
DesRon1 - 1 CS NW of Amsterdam
DesRon1 - 1 CS NW of Amsterdam
TBs - 1 CS W of Amsterdam
IV Flot - 1 CS N of Helgoland

At this point I took a long break and did not play my campaign for several months. I switched to a new method of taking notes that included a time for every event and additional details whenever possible, although the location was left out for minor encounters.

Feb 11
0338 - DesRon1 - CS Algrave, 4000t
0508 - DesRon1 - TB 302
1700 - Ems Def Sqdn - CS Algonquin, 4000t

Feb 12 - I decided to take action. S&M are to be recalled through the Channel to emphasize the British impotence. Undamaged ships of HSF and SF are to bombard Great Yarmouth and Hull and cover the returning raiders from a British sortie. The still-damaged battleships are to remain behind as a ready-response force. CruRon1 and DesRon are to make a final minelaying run then rendezvous with HSF and SF to establish a protective screen (their screen is very light due to losses at the Battle of Great Yarmouth)
0430 - HSF ordered to bombard Great Yarmouth (14 hours sailing)
0530 - SF ordered to bombard Hull (12 hours sailing)
CruRon1 and DesRon ordered to mine near Harwich and Lowestoft
0632 - M - CS Benledi, 2000t
0754 - CS Amstelland, 10000t, seized by AMC Armidale Castle
0830 - S finishes patrol, sails to rendezvous with M before returning home
0924 - DesRon spot TB20 in Channel, open fire at 0935, sunk at 0948
0947 - DesRon spot Falcon in Channel and gives chase
1042 - B109 and B110 collide during the chase, but both survive
1206 - Falcon finally sinks
1309 - DesRon deploy mines
1451 - CruRon1 deploys mines
1600 - S&M Raiders rendezvous NW of Plymouth and head for home

Feb 13
0007 - SF sinks a DD patrolling near Hull, and spots the BCF on the campaign map around midnight. All bombardment missions are canceled so I can marshal my forces and attack. The BCF refuses to engage until morning.
0647 - CS Thurnberg seized by AMC Patua
0741 - Battle of Hull begins: SF spots CL Birkenhead WNW of Hull, HSF is close behind
The rest of the battle and screenshots will come soon!
 
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