Firelane with two MGs

[WuWei]

I have two squads with two LMGs and a leader in a hex. It's my opponents MPh and there's a human wave rolling, spending 1 MF.

I think I can first lay a firelane by shooting one squad/LMG at one of the HW squads, and all other squads in a firelane hex are immediately attacked by the firelane residual. I can then shoot with my other squad/LMG at another of the enemies squads and lay a firelane, and again all other enemy squads in a firelane hex are attacked by the firelane residual. There are now two firelanes "on top of each other", and if on the next impulse an enemy squad enters one of the firelane hexes, it is attacked twice by the firelanes (and perhaps a third time by the "normal" residual firepower left by the squad's inherent FP). I can use my leader only for one of the attacks. Correct?

 

[Robin Reeve]

I think you got it right, yes.

 

[Smedley]

Correct, as long as the targets occupy different locations.

Rob

 

[Eagle4ty]

Yes as per A8.21, "...although Fire Lane Residual FP is not a Residual FP counter and therefore can co-exist with other Fire Lane counters or Residual FP counters; 9.222)."

 

[EagleIV]

What, didn't you put 2 leaders in the location, one for each LMG? Then you could have 1 leader direct each attack and you don't have to worry about cowaring.

Yes, with the note Smedley added you have it correct.

 

[WuWei]

I just noticed that in A7.55 Mandatory Firegroups, there's an exception for Firelanes! So, in the above example, could both of my squads lay firelanes by shooting at the same enemy location?
For example: Leader directed squad 1 with inherent firepower and squad 2 with inherent firepower and LMG laying a firelane at the enemy, and then, on the same MF, squad 1 at the same target, this time LMG only to also lay a firelane. Is that possible?

 

[klasmalmstrom]

I just noticed that in A7.55 Mandatory Firegroups, there's an exception for Firelanes! So, in the above example, could both of my squads lay firelanes by shooting at the same enemy location?
For example: Leader directed squad 1 with inherent firepower and squad 2 with inherent firepower and LMG laying a firelane at the enemy, and then, on the same MF, squad 1 at the same target, this time LMG only to also lay a firelane. Is that possible?

No. The EXC in A7.55 is for already established Fire Lanes.

A9.22:
"Fire Lane FG are NA; i.e., each MG must create a separate Fire Lane even if using the same Hex-Grain/IFT-DR as another. "

 

[ScottRomanowski]

But does that mean two 2-FP LMGs must create two 1 FP FLs and not a single 2-FP FL, or if multiple MGs are part of a FG, only one can lay a FL? Because a strict reading of "Fire Lane FG are NA" under the later interpretation would prohibit MGs in different Locations from leaving FL too. The "even if using the same Hex-Grain/IFT-DR as another" seems to imply that the first interpretation is correct.

 

[ScottRomanowski]

... and then, on the same MF ...

Wouldn't that violate the Mandatory FG rule?

 

[EagleIV]

Two MGs, both in the same location, both have already placed FLs that either overlap (see the A9.222 EX, the red and blue FL overlap in K7 but not in J6/K6) or exactly coincide would make separate attacks when resolving the FL attacks (not the initial attack) since FL can't FG.

If you are referring to the initial attacks, then yes they have to FG if attacking the same initial target location, but if they make 2 separate initial attacks, at different locations but along the same hexgrain it is possible to have both FL completely coincide.

 

[ScottRomanowski]

The question is if a FG with two MGs can place two FLs with the one attack. It seems that people are saying no, not even if the two FLs only overlap in one Location, e.g. if units in 1F5, G5, and H5, with MGs in F5 and H5, D1F at a unit in G5, the two MGs cannot each place a FL (one from F5 to M2, and the other from H5 to E4).

 

[klasmalmstrom]

The question is if a FG with two MGs can place two FLs with the one attack.

I don't see why they could not...

 

[EagleIV]

I agree with Klas, 1 squad with 2MG can place 2 FL with either 1 or 2 attacks and the FL can either overlap completely or partially (or in the case of 2 attacks not overlap at all) as long as each separate FL conforms to the FL rules.

 

[Actionjick]

Great thread! Very interesting.

 

[Larry]

Spray fire the squads and their LMG each at two different hexes, leaving the overlapping firelanes and four locations with 1 FP from the squads in four different hexes.

 

[Stewart]

The question is if a FG with two MGs can place two FLs with the one attack.

They aren't placed with the ONE attack, they are placed with the SAME MF expenditure. There is a difference there.
Nothing stops choosing a different target. the stack of squads adn LMGs could attack 4 different locations with the same singular MF expenditure.
And layer the FL's on top.

AND this is why HW's fail when you don't at least neutralize the big MG pits.

 

[ScottRomanowski]

I must have misinterpreted some of the earlier posts since we all seem to agree. Two or more MGs in a FG can all place independent FLs regardless of the MGs Locations (same or different or a mix) and the FLs position (overlapping in only one Location, many Locations, or identical).